Hello all, Im new to the list, but coming to all of you for some advice. I hope it is appropriate. I am visiting my grandfather in Buenos Aires for three weeks and hoping to find some sweet stuff whilst I am here. I haven't been here in a long time so I am not sure where to look. Also being a child of the ebay age, I am a lot less resourceful in the digging department, especially in a foreign country. Also a little about myself. I have been collecting parts for about 5 years now, have a couple gems in my collection but hoping to get more.I have been wrenching for about 6.5 years now sort of all over, but mainly in Vermont, where I am hopefully returning this spring. My most prized possession is a 1981 Nagasawa Speciale Pista. Which brings me to another question. It has a few chips in the paint, around the head tube, and a little bit of rust developing. What is everyones opinion of repainting? A factory repaint is impossible at this point. Thanks.
Hubert d'Autremont in Transition, but returning to Burlington, VT.
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> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:09:21 -0700
> From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> To: <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: Amir Avitzur <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]18 Way to Know You Have Bike Culture
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> Quoting Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> "Not everything is a matter of personal opinion. For instance, after
> raging
> debate for several decades, it's now almost universally accepted that
> smoking
> is extremely detrimental to one's health,"
>
> 1. Do you have research to back that up?
> 2. Does the research differentiate between dried and rolled tobacco as
> opposed
>
> to chemically processed tobacco?
>
> Ever wonder why the cancer incidence in tobacco smoking countries with
> simple
> dry and roll is much less as opposed to those countries where tobacco is
> chemically processed? Kinda parallels our food problem...but of course
> other
> variables get in the way - regular sun exposure - nomadic activity - and
> the
> fact that heart disease and cancer are diseases of old age.
>
>
> "while with much less debate it is
> accepted that regular exercise, including riding classic bilkes, is very
> beneficial to one's health. Leaders of a society, whether government
> officials or others, or just ordinary citizens, should encourage others to
> engage in beneficial activities and to refrain from harmful ones. Note I
> say
> encourage and discourage, not dictate or forbid."
>
> "Should" before encourage...careful there... =8-)
>
>
> "One may however be justifed in forbidding certain conduct when it pertains
> to
> minors or damages others. Thus it is illegal in most places for minors to
> buy or use cigarettes or for adults to sell them to minors."
>
>
> I can understand why adults can't sell cigarettes to minors - they're not
> their
>
> kids. But what if a parent provides a signed note giving permission for
> the
> minor to purchase cigarettes? What grounds is the State arguing on to
> prohibit
>
> that? Are there any dominoes in the State's equation?
>
>
> "Now in regard to bicycling versus driving, bicycling can be demonstrated
> to
> provide many benefits, including enhancing personal health and reducing
> traffic and parking congestion, and I have yet to see anyone demonstrate
> anything harmful about bicycling."
>
>
> 1. Knee problems.
> 2. Neck and back problems.
> 3. Same lack of protection as a motorcyclist in a collision with a car,
> barrier
>
> or wall - higher incidence of injury and death.
> 4. Suspected reduction in fertility in highly active male cyclists.
> 5. Tires require oil for production.
> 6. Steels, alloys, and other material produced for bicycles create toxic
> byproducts that must be properly disposed of.
> 7. The recycling of #6 creates additional toxic waste as a byproduct.
> 8. The cadium, mercury, copper and glues used in bonding material end up in
> water supply.
>
>
> "On the other hand I agree that global
> warming has become too Politically Correct and is not yet definitively
> proven
> and that many of the models of global climate change are still suspect."
>
>
> I'll go out on a limb and say: I'll take global warming any day over
> global
> cooling. Global warming = good for us. Global cooling = good for the
> fishes.
> (Even the penguins might panic...)
>
>
> "Nevertheless, I think any reasonable person would concede that burning
> fossil
> fuels does the environment no particular good and may well finally be
> proven
> to do it substantial harm. If that harm is proven and is proven to be
> severe
> and immediate, as has now been proven about smoking, then mandatory actions
> banning or restricting driving will not only be justified but ethically
> obligatory. No one, after all, has any "right" to engage in actions that
> do
> substantial harm to others, and sufficient damage to the environment harms
> essentially everyone."
>
>
> How about we ban forest fires right here and now? Anyone here who thinks
> of
> themselves as a global citizen in favor of invading China and shutting down
> their coal mine fires - raise your hands. (Avoid bombing the bicycle
> factories
>
> please...) In the meantime, simply protecting the right to life, liberty,
> property and the pursuit of happiness suits me fine - until of course I
> intrude
>
> on my neighbor's right to do the same. Why a ban - when you have a course
> of
> action laid out already?
>
>
> "Until the models can be proven (or disproven) it still makes sense to
> encourage (not dictate) demonstrably beneficial activities and discourage
> (not ban) activities which significant evidence suggests may be harmful to
> others. Now like it or not, it is society, not the individual, which
> decides
> what is proven or not proven, what benefit or harm is substantial or not,
> and what harm from a product like petroleum we will accept in exchange for
> its advantages. Democracy and "freedom" do not mean that everyone is
> entitled to do exactly as he pleases, but that everyone is entitled to
> participate in socially made decisions, and that if he is in the
> minority, he
> should be compelled to comply only where his compliance substantially
> benefits others or his refusal substantially harms others."
>
>
> 1. Define society. (Be careful - too many people over define it...)
> 2. I never used the word "Democracy".
> 3. Never said everyone is entitled to do as one pleases...read my posts
> more
> carefully...
> 4. Compelled how? Careful there...
>
>
> "The great thing about cycling is that one has absolutely no need to
> agonize
> about it. Besides the inherent enjoyment of the activity itself, one can
> also "feel good" about getting exercise, saving money, maintaining and
> repairing one's own vehicle, reducing congestion, and yes, quite likely
> improving the environment. Two of the early advocates of cycling in
> post-WWII America were Dr. Clifford Graves, and Dr Paul Dudley White,
> President Eisenhower's physician. Those who started cycling when many of
> us
> did remember that these guys were widely quoted in the bicycle publications
> of the time, which have now become classics. I remeber a quote from one of
> them to the effect that cycling was to travel through one's own country in
> the fresh air, giving no offense of any kind to one's fellow citizens.
> That's just as vaild an aspiration today as it was back then."
>
>
> I guess I've persuaded you...that's been my point all along:
>
> THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO WRAP CYCLING IN A BILL OF GOOD LOOSELY
> TERMED
> HERE AS "CULTURE".
>
> I'll say it again, when I run into people wrapping bicyling in a "culture"
> of
> some kind - I find myself thinking: "Why are they riding a bicycle?" It
> simply makes no sense whatsoever...it must be about something other than
> liking
>
> bicycles or liking to ride bicycles, etc. If it's emotional or political
> baggage - it harms the cause of those who support cycling in MY HONEST
> OPINION.
>
>
> "The classic bicycle hobby isn't just about hoarding these things or
> hanging
> them on the wall. More than anything it should be about riding them. Now
> part of the fun of riding classic bikes is to experience, and help
> preserve,
> a little piece of history. But much of the fun is the same as that of
> riding
> any bicycle, and that includes not only the immediate personal enjoyment,
> but
> also the enjoyment of the fact that one is doing something beneficial both
> for oneself and others. If enjoying doing things beneficial to others as
> well as myself makes me a communist or a "phony" conservative, then I don't
> want to be a "true" conservative, at least not by your definition."
>
>
> That last sentence - you used a sleight of hand. Each time I've quoted
> your
> problemtic statement from way back in this thread - I quoted it exactly as
> written. I made no changes. I then pointed out how the implication of
> your
> statement was typicaly those who feel a need to make their view a matter of
> public policy to be forced upon others...Care to correct that last sentence
> above? Or are you going to stick with the sleight of hand?
>
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jerry Moos
> In that bastion of Communist subversion, Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
> > --- On Thu, 12/18/08, @mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]18 Way to Know You Have Bike Culture
> > To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net
> > Cc: "Amir Avitzur" <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>, "ternst" <
> ternst1@cox.net>,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 1:54 PM
> >
> > I'll thought I'd strip out something from the commentary below that I
> > think
> > serves as a perfect example of what I think underlies so many aspects
> > of "bicycle culture" and "bicycling advocacy" that results
> > in friction or the
> > turning off of others to cycling and the cycling community:
> >
> >
> > "If bikes are to become more widely used in America, and I think it is
> > highly
> > desirable that they should, we must develop a culture that sees cycling a
> > desirable, healthy, and socially responsible, all of which are true
> IMHO."
> >
> >
> > We already have a culture in America called "American Culture" that
> > encompasses
> >
> > the following:
> >
> > 1. An appreciation for technological development and change including
> the
> > field of transportation is which bicycles are an existing and viable
> option.
> >
> > 2. A recognition of the individual right to determine for oneself what
> is
> > desireable or not.
> >
> > 3. A recognition of the individual right to determine for oneself what
> is
> > healthy or not - one man's cup of tea isn't necessarily another's.
> >
> > 4. A recognition of the rule of law, and a jury's right to determine
> when
> > one
> > individual has violated another individual's right to privacy, property,
> > etc.
> >
> > (Have to admit they are under attack lately...)
> >
> > Socially responsible? Usually when I hear that phrase it comes from the
> > mouth
> > of a socialist or communist who want to IMPOSE their view as policy and
> deny
> > to
> >
> > others the same. Lately they have come from phony conservatives in
> sheeps
> > clothing.
> >
> > If you want to persuade...great! Go for it...and respect the rights of
> those
> >
> > who aren't persuaded. Your loaded statement doesn't argue for
> > persuasion - but
> >
> > rather imposition wrapped in an easy to swallow pill coating.
> >
> > I'll take my own thank you...
> >
> > =8-)
> >
> > Robert Shackelford
> > San Jose, CA USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>:
> >
> > > I agree with Ted. I found this clever and amusing also, and the
> > attiutude
> > > towards motorists was one of good-natured condescension, not the active
> > and
> > > occasionally violent hostility one sometimes sees among the most
> extreme
> > > bicycle activists in the US.
> > >
> > > If bikes are to become more widely used in America, and I think it is
> > highly
> > > desirable that they should, we must develop a culture that sees cycling
> a
> > > desirable, healthy, and socially responsible, all of which are true
> > IMHO.
> > > Evidently Denmark already possesses such a culture, and they should be
> > > admired for that. I don't see that they are demonizing motorists,
> > indeed one
> > > of the items mentioned leaving the car parked while cycling to work,
> > meaning
> > > they feel no guilt about owning an automobile.
> > >
> > > I'm hardly an anti-car fanatic, and indeed I work at an oil refinery
> > and have
> > > worked in refineries most of my life. I see no contradiction in using
> > > petroleum and automobiles where they are really needed or highly
> > beneficial,
> > > while using bicycles (or walking or mass transport) whenever we can. I
> > do
> > > find it a bit ironic to commute by cycle to work at a refinery, but
> ironic
> > in
> > > a pleasant way. I think Denmark and some other European countries have
> a
> > > healthier balance of auto use with its alternatives than we do in
> America,
> > > and I think we would do well to learn from them. A national belief in
> > the
> > > superiority of every single aspect of one's own culture is not a sign
> > of
> > > strength, but a fatal weakness that will eventually destroy any
> society.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Big Spring, Texas, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 12/18/08, ternst <ternst1@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]18 Way to Know You Have Bike Culture
> > > To: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net, "Amir Avitzur"
> > <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:28 PM
> > >
> > > Let's not take this too personal or seriously.
> > > I chuckled a little with the actuality as it is in Denmark, coupled
> with
> > > some tongue in cheek.
> > > To understand it from THEIR society and how they view it, one has to
> have
> > > been there, stayed a while, and ridden bikes around the towns and
> > > countryside.
> > > I have done so.
> > > As as a country we have been so big and dominant so long we have tended
> to
> >
> > > be more isolationist and become too provincial in many ways, so we
> > don't
> > > really "get it", witness our standing in the world today when it
> > > comes to
> > > giving other countries respect, dignity, and understanding.
> > > In many countries the bike is THE MODE of transport. We are a car
> > dominated
> > > society.
> > > Bike people here may be in some facets of our sport more a CULT than an
> > > actual CULTURE!
> > > It's always important to recognize and understand the difference.
> > > Ride your bike and enjoy! To hell with the rest! Loosen up those legs
> and
> > > your brain.
> > > Ride and let ride.
> > > Ted Ernst
> > > Palos Verdes Estates
> > > CA USA
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> > > To: "Amir Avitzur" <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]18 Way to Know You Have Bike Culture
> > >
> > >
> > > > Honestly, I didn't find it cute...nor on topic. Actually, I
> > thought
> > > every
> > > > item
> > > >
> > > > was contrived...and sensed an anti-car, anti-conservative,
> > > > anti-libertarian
> > > > agenda in it as well.
> > > >
> > > > One though was right on spot: "I just ride."
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, if someone feels the need to subscribe to some kind of
> > > > "culture" as
> > > > part of riding on or working with bicycles - I have to question why
> > they
> > > > are on
> > > >
> > > > a bike in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible that it's because they have to, and hate it, and
> > > suscribing
> > > > to
> > > > a "culture" is their way of dealing with it. Maybe such
> > > cyclists really
> > > > are
> > > > envious of motorists? Jealous? Debate away...I have better things
> > to
> > > > do...
> > > >
> > > > In my case, I like bicycles. I like cars. I just ride and drive
> > 'em.
> > >
> > > > And
> > > > even when I can't afford a car, big deal. I just get on with
> > it...
> > > >
> > > > Even though I don't really listen much to Dr. Laura, one time I
> > did
> > > listen
> > > > in
> > > > when she made a point that I think might just fit right in here...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "There are two kinds of women. There are those who hate men.
> > > Complain
> > > > about
> > > > men. Attack men. Whine about this and that and equality outside and
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > home...etc...and spend their life being miserable. Then there are
> > those
> > > > women
> > > >
> > > > who understand that men are born to women, raised by women, and
> > married to
> > > > women...and they use that power wisely."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe some cyclists out there need to think about the above and apply
> > it
> > > > to
> > > > their cycling life, their relationship with motorists, etc...and give
> > it
> > > > some
> > > > more thought.
> > > >
> > > > =8-)
> > > >
> > > > Robert Shackelford
> > > > San Jose, CA USA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Amir Avitzur <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >> This is cute and, maybe even, on topic.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > http://www.copenhagenize.com/
> > > > bicycle.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Happy Holidays
> > > >>
> > > >> Amir Avitzur
> > > >> R"G Israel
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:11:06 -0700
> From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> To: <crabulux@yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Light That Straps to Leg
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> I glad you reminded me about the C size batteries. I remember my wife
> complaining about how heavy it was. (She's only 4' 10" and 95 lbs.)
>
> =8-)
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
> Quoting devon warner <crabulux@yahoo.com>:
>
> > i had one in the 70's. it took 2 C-sized batteries. wasn't that great
> in
> > terms of performance if i remember rightly. now it would have some
> style
> > points.
> >
> > devon warner
> > then in berkeley, now in SF, CA, USA
> >
> > --- On Thu, 12/18/08, mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Light That Straps to Leg
> > > To: "Angel Garcia" <veronaman@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 2:21 PM
> > > Purchased one of those for my wife back in 1989 while she
> > > was at UC Davis. It
> > > was brand new - current production at the time.
> > >
> > > So how do you qualify that as Vintage or Classic unless you
> > > have a specific
> > > date for yours in particular?
> > >
> > > =8-)
> > >
> > > I think I tossed ours out a couple years back...bummer.
> > >
> > > =8-)
> > >
> > > Robert Shackelford
> > > San Jose, CA USA
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Is is white, T shaped, clear lens on one side, red on
> > > the other? I have one.
> > > > Definitely vintage.
> > > > Angel Garcia
> > > > Long Valley, NJ, using it around the house these days
> > > >
> > > > snip:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM,
> > > <emeneff@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Talk about getting me mad !
> > > > >
> > > > > Ditto for my old and very rare
> > > > > plastic bike light that straps onto my leg.
> > > I've never seen another one
> > > > > like it.
> > > > > Make sure to Protect Your ASSets !
> > > > > Mike Fabian
> > > > > San Francisco, CA
> > > > >
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> kinda agree...wife never missed it...neither did i...but still...
>
> vintage...ooooh!
>
> =8-)
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
>
> Quoting M-gineering <info@m-gineering.nl>:
>
> > mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net wrote:
> > > Purchased one of those for my wife back in 1989 while she was at UC
> Davis.
> > It
> > > was brand new - current production at the time.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I remember those: piece of junk best forgotten designed for horseriding
> > --
> > mvg
> >
> > Marten Gerritsen
> > Kiel Windeweer
> > Netherlands
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> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:18:06 -0500
> From: <wheelman@nac.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR][RE]Sheldon's Bike
> Message-ID: <5011.65.220.90.254.1229642286.squirrel@webmail.nac.net>
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> Beautiful and eclectic bike, just like Sheldon would ride. I also would
> like to remind everyone that I am the owner of the authentic Sheldon Brown
> "Real Mans Saddle". I acquired it at Cirque last year and it proudly
> resides now and is on display with Curator Steve Willis at The Bike Stand
> in Scotch Plains NJ.
>
> Just though you would all enjoy a little nostalgia.
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
>
> Ray Homiski
> Elizabeth, NJ USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:11:04 -0500
> From: <self@fuse.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]PX10, Stronglight 63 question
> Message-ID: <20865303.1229641868577.JavaMail.root@wmvirt55>
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> I picked up a fairly ratty (techincal term) PX10 w/ pretty nice Stronglight
> 63 crankset. Parts seem to be original except for FD, brake levers, seat &
> post. The serial #039355, maybe a 1970 before Peugeot went to a 7 digit
> 70's serial #?
>
> My main question: Were the PX10's w/ Stronglight 63 the same as the ones
> with the Stronlight 93 except for the crank? Yes I understand the
> "different than catalog & companies using whatever parts they have around"
> ways that our vintage bikes were turned out by the big companies. I did
> check the CR archives & looked at several of the PX10 websites - just raised
> more questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Self
> Cincinnati, OH, USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:26:45 -0700
> From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]18 Way to Know You Have Bike Culture
> Message-ID: 1229642805.494adc35b15b6@www.mrrabbit.net
> In-Reply-To: <698403.82429.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Per Dale's request...
>
> No further comments from me...please do not send any my way.
>
> My last was to Tom Sanders 2 minutes ago.
>
> =8-)
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:32:56 -0800
> From: Jack Gabus <jgabus@gmail.com>
> To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Bike Culture
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> Listers:
>
> I love this Bike Culture thing. Only in certain cities (Davis, Portland,
> et. al.) in the US will there ever be a bike culture. I especially love
> the
> comparison to Copenhagen. My wife is Danish so we have had this discussion
> many a time. We live in Laguna Beach which is a small town and we think we
> have bike culture but in comparison nothing like Copenhagen. In my
> estimation here is why. First of all Copenhagen is flat Laguna is not.
> Copenhagen has also a built in infrastructure for cycling and driving,
> complete with stop lights and the whole shootin match for *bikes* and cars.
>
>
> I have been fighting this little war in my city for some time. And as the
> saying goes in liberal LB we love your bikes but you ain't getting your
> lights or lanes. It also goes to the bigger geographical question. When
> you
> go from town to town in Denmark the scale is so much smaller. It take ten
> to fifteen min. to get to the next hamlet. Try that in So Cal along
> Pacific
> Coast Hwy. with someone yelling in your ear to get your spandex #$@ off the
> road.
>
> Also here is the most important part to the equation ..... WOMEN. The
> women
> in Copenhagen are stunning, why you ask? One they are Scandinavian second
> they are in shape because they do ride a bike. I want to see just one of
> the gang from the list try to convince a High maintenance botox taking
> broad
> from Corona del Mar to ride a bike to the grocery store. Not gonna happen
> she would first run over her brand new Singer Rando with her Maserati
> Quattroporte to the salon than ever ride a bike.
>
> BTW that broad I speak of in CDM could learn a lot from the gals in DK.
> Because the women in DK look great even after 60 because off...... THE
> BIKE!
>
> I love where I live but because of Social morays and the geographical
> distances you have a hard sell on your hands.
>
> My social comment for the day.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Gabus
> jgabus@gmail.com
> Laguna Beach, CA
> USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:39:15 -0500
> From: Tom Sanders <tesanders@comcast.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Calling of names on the CR lsit and publishing Off List
> communications
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> I would like to point out that the letter Mr. Shakelford decided to post to
> the list was a private communication from me to him and was clearly stated
> in the subject line as being Off List. It was not my intention to clutter
> up your mail boxes with my admonishment to him, which I thought to be
> delivered in a positive way. It is clear that He feels greatly encumbered
> by rules of civility such as not publishing a clearly labeled off list
> communication.
>
> My apologies to all for adding to the turmoil.I promise I will never send
> the gentleman another E-Mail.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, Mi USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:31 -0800
> From: Rudy Norvelle <rudy43norvelle@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Light That Straps to Leg
> Message-ID: <4F8E42131212443E82E6524A57908952@D2J78Z51>
> References:
> <70e14d4c0812181330k2be015ebn48f954777d4e6dda@mail.gmail.com><
> 1229638880.494acce00f8e3@www.mrrabbit.net><494AD06C.5020500@m-gineering.nl
> >
> <003601c96163$2df5a660$6400a8c0@OFFICE1>
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> Message: 9
>
> Believe it or not I staill have the one I bought before 1983 (on topic) and
> it works. At that time it was about the only light that was available that
> didn't weigh a ton or so.
>
> Rudy Norvelle
> San Jose, California
> USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ehbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>
> To: "M-gineering" <info@m-gineering.nl>
> Cc: "CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Light That Straps to Leg
>
>
> > Maybe junk to you but to some of us "back in the day" who had racing
> bikes
> > and didn't want them covered with reflectors and headlights and who rode
> > thier bikes to work at the bike shop and who sometimes had to ride home
> in
> > the dark. They were an effective way to be spotted by cars on dark
> > roads...
> >
> > Ed Busch
> > Vonore Tennessee USA
> >
> >
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:59:58 -0800
> From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Light That Straps to Leg
> Message-ID: <F9C95EBA-CD5F-11DD-BB2A-00306583A234@sbcglobal.net>
> In-Reply-To: <70e14d4c0812181330k2be015ebn48f954777d4e6dda@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Angel Garcia wrote:
>
> > Is is white, T shaped, clear lens on one side, red on the other? I
> > have one.
> > Definitely vintage.
>
> I had one in period.
> Used it the last time I lived in Berkeley, calif
>
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