Re: [CR]Re: thread on change in styles

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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:31:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Kenneth Freeman <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: thread on change in styles
To: Emily O'Brien <>,,

I have a friend in one of the LBS, who races CX and road events locally, in her mid-20s (half my age!). While talking about getting some OT handlebars and how I'm not going to friction shift this bike, she said she can't imagine riding without both hands on the bars, and that there is instability if she takes one off for much other than drinking water. This seems new! My more classic frames, 1980 Masi and 1982 or so Mondonico, can easily be controlled and ridden with one hand, and I have nowhere near her skill and fitness level.

She feels she needs this constant positive control in the peleton, but won't have it if she releases a hand.

This change in riding style may be driven by different geometry, in turn driven by not needing to let go of the 'bars. I assume she rides a (ot) Specialized Tarmac or something, maybe an Orbea.

Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI USA

----- Original Message ----
From: Emily O'Brien
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:36:02 PM
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 61, Issue 103

> I'd factor in huge improvements in road surfaces. I've had guys INSIST my
> PX-10 is a "touring" geometry and not racing! That shows you how angles, top
> tube lengths and fork rakes have changed as road surfaces have improved. How
> many modern cyclists even know why racing cyclists wore goggles up to about
> the mid 1950s?

Another difference is how pro races work, and how the format has changed. Stages of the Tour de France have gotten shorter, but they've also gotten faster. When it started, support wasn't allowed at all; now those guys don't even take a piss without help. They don't have to ride for nearly as long at a stretch, but they have to go a lot faster.
> When you look at old bikes, you begin to realize that much of the
> technology changed because riding styles changed, and on the other
> hand, riding styles changed because technology changed.

Those are the things I'm curious about; after all, it's always a two way street. It does make me speculate about how the geometry or ride styles from different periods might suit different riders or body types in different ways. Seat tube angles, for example, will vary partly with the usage, partly with style over time, but partly with the biomechanics of an individual rider's leg and the requirements of what they're doing.

I'm not so much interested in any one period in particular; just whatever periods people care to talk about.

Emily O'Brien
Medford, MA