Hi Listers,
I don't know the full history of this bike, but at one time and for many years it was owned by my friend Tec Thomas, owner of Recycled Bicycles in Tallahassee, Florida. It sat unused in the attic of his shop for many years, while I was an employee there. I don't know how it ended up in the hands of its present owner, many miles away from Tallahassee.
Stephen Bryne in Sunny Carmel Valley, California, USA waiting for the Tour of Cali to kick off
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Today's Topics:
1. Which Washers on Campy Super record calipers? Help ! (Mark Cutrufelli) 2. Re: Which Washers on Campy Super record calipers? Help ! (Steven Willis) 3. RE: Italian threaded hubs? (Tory Werne) 4. Sheldon Brown for the CRVBA? 5. new batch being cooked and taking orders..campy nr/sr re-pro brake hoods 6. New CO Velodrome (Andrew Bohlmann) 7. RE: Italian threaded hubs? (Mark Ritz) 8. Pic of the Day - Saturn 6-Day (Aldo Ross) 9. Brooks B-15 Lacer saddles ?? (Donald Gillies) 10. A few vintage items wanted !! (Peter Naiman) 11. WTB Alloy Spoke Protectors (dont laugh) (Rich Pinder) 12. "Adaptive Re-Use:" '74 Raleigh Professional (Harvey Sachs) 13. ISO: 40H 700C Silver Box Section Rim. (Adam Schwarcz) 14. tied and soldered spokes (Otis) 15. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 62, Issue 65 Brit and IT 16. Dave Chauner's Olympic Paramount track bike on ebay 56cm (Mark Poore) 17. Ebay: Cornale...Oh, Norris... (Don Wilson) 18. Ebay: Perucci (Don Wilson)
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:06:44 -0500 From: "Mark Cutrufelli" <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Which Washers on Campy Super record calipers? Help ! Message-ID: <002401c870d7$74415f60$0d0a0a0a@PC175064711631> In-Reply-To: <c54.285d743f.34e880e5@aol.com> References: <c54.285d743f.34e880e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
I dissassembled my brake calipers totally to clean and polish thinking if I left one assembled I'd be fine. Nope. Are there One or two washers next to the spring? I think there may be the thin one and the one slightly serrated on one side only that are face to face. If so is the thicKer serrated washer the one closer to the spring and which way does the rough or serrated edge face? The Campy Site doesn't show the 1983 SR calipers
Thank You
Mark Eli Cutrufelli Laurel,MD 20723 USA
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:30:17 -0500 From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net> To: "Mark Cutrufelli" <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Which Washers on Campy Super record calipers? Help ! Message-ID: <025501c870da$bf260320$2c01a8c0@bike1> References: <c54.285d743f.34e880e5@aol.com> <002401c870d7$74415f60$0d0a0a0a@PC175064711631> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
The way I remember it is,
a silver steel first against the spring, then an arm, then the brass one,
then the other arm, then the silver steel with the notches on the other
most edge, then the 13 mm lock nut, then the 10 mm dome nut.
Steven Willis
The Bike Stand
1778 East Second Street
Scotch Plains NJ 07076
908-322-3330
http://www.thebikestand.com
>
> I dissassembled my brake calipers totally to clean and polish thinking if
> I
> left one assembled I'd be fine. Nope. Are there One or two washers next to
> the spring? I think there may be the thin one and the one slightly
> serrated
> on one side only that are face to face. If so is the thicKer serrated
> washer
> the one closer to the spring and which way does the rough or serrated edge
> face? The Campy Site doesn't show the 1983 SR calipers
>
> Thank You
>
> Mark Eli Cutrufelli
> Laurel,MD 20723
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:35:11 -0500 From: "Tory Werne" <twerne@bellsouth.net> To: "'kevin sayles'" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>, "'cr list'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Italian threaded hubs? Message-ID: <001401c870db$6da90000$6600a8c0@WERNE1> In-Reply-To: <CDDFB107E11941BD8EFC8FF6F7915E23@kevinPC> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
RE: Mixing Italian and British FW Threading
Most published guidance says it's OK to do ONCE, clean and greased well from the first installation. BUT COMMIT to your choice.
Look at the numbers ... if inches 1.370" x 24tpi British 1.378" x 24tpi Italian
Look at the numbers ... if metric 34.80mm x 1.058mm British 35.00mm x 1.058mm Italian
Otherwise - Thanks again Sheldon
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
Tory Werne Woodstock, Georgia USA
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From: kevin sayles [mailto:kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:01 PM <snip> am I correct in thinking Italian and British threads are OK to mix, <snip> Kevin Sayles Bridgwater UK -------------
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:46:09 +0000 From: oroboyz@aol.com To: Crumpy6204@aol.com, classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org, "Classic Rendezvous" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Sheldon Brown for the CRVBA? Message-ID: <1784375274-1203194766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-535938104-@b xe149.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <c54.285d743f.34e880e5@aol.com> References: <c54.285d743f.34e880e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Precedence: list Reply-To: oroboyz@aol.com Message: 4
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:06:00 EST From: Rnitro1969@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] new batch being cooked and taking orders..campy nr/sr re-pro brake hoods Message-ID: <bf8.23c3a1f8.34e8aa38@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
greetings
15 pairs for immediate shipment. get em before ii get behind
campy nr/sr world logo gum colored reproduction brake hoods
cr list pricing
$49.00 per pair
$39.00 per pair for three or more pairs when ordered at the same time.
add $8.00 shipping per order.
thanks again
robbie fellows lakewood,ca.
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:39:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Bohlmann" <encantadas@pcisys.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]New CO Velodrome Message-ID: <000601c870e4$763c8030$261035ce@hal> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6
A 166m indoor (bubble building) wood velodrome will be built in Broomfield, Colorado beginning in May. Broomfield is on HWY 36 between The Republic of Boulder and Denver. I was at the meeting this past Wednesday. And yes, there will be a bar inside the track!
An Oct 6-day is in the works. Sounds like a party!
Andy Bohlmann Colorado Springs, CO USA
http://www.tourofcolorado.com and http://www.sandcreeksports.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:57:04 -0800 From: "Mark Ritz" <ritzmon@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]RE: Italian threaded hubs? Message-ID: <000f01c870e6$df524940$0200a8c0@D4Q1RPB1> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODx8dyDd3OJ000010ce@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODx8dyDd3OJ000010ce@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Kevin asked: Got the chance to get a pair of Record SF hubs, but their 'Italian threaded' Am I correct in thinking Italian and British threads are OK to mix,
I'd like to fit a British threaded freewheel, or alternatively are Italian freewheels readily avaiable?
I sez: It's been my understanding is that you can put a British freewheel on an Italian threaded hub, but you can't go back after doing so. The threads are a "Class B Fit" which slightly damages the threads. As long as you don't try to switch back and forth, you should be safe.
Cheers, Mark "mix-a-lot" Ritz Still bummed about missing the show last week in Foggy Arcata, CA http://www.kinetic-koffee.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:41:40 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day - Saturn 6-Day Message-ID: <001301c870ed$1b863740$0217fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8
Pic of the Day 16 February, 2008
Saturn 6-Day Bike Race
http://www.wooljersey.com/
Nothing too heavy - just a frame-grab from Ub Iwerks' 1933 Willie Whopper cartoon "Stratos-Fear".
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio USA
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brooks B-15 Lacer saddles ?? Message-ID: <200802170025.m1H0PnnZ013586@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 9
I was back in my hometown (Urbana Illinois) last week and visited an old bike shop, "Bikeworks" was looking at vintage saddles, when i picked up what i thought was a b5n factory-drilled lacer saddle. The owner said he wasn't interested in selling it, but after I left the shop i remembered it was a B15-lacer saddle, factory drilled, something that was truly unusual ...
when were B15-lacers issued ?? I had never seen one before ..
what other saddles had factory-drilled lacer holes besides B5N's ??
- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]A few vintage items wanted !! Message-ID: <557600.12698.qm@web38114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10
I'm working on finishing up two bikes and need the following:
A Shimano AX downtube water bottle and holder.
A Nuovo Record Crankset in very good condition, 170-172.5 arm length.
A pair of Nuovo Record brake handles with rubbers hopefully from the early 70s.
Peter Naiman Glendale, WI
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:20:52 -0800 From: Rich Pinder <rpinder@usc.edu> To: classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WTB Alloy Spoke Protectors (dont laugh) Message-ID: <47B78BF4.7010401@usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 11
I know, These are meant to cast off your lightweight rides. They do come in some hideous styles. Those huge, clear models ! How bout the even HUGER chrome ones (yu should see the one on a totally original and unused Peuogeot I recently got ! hideous !)
But there was one style made, from Japan, using low luster alloy, some labeled Suntour - that were the diameter of (about) 26 tooth cogs? maybe 28's ? not bigger, I'm sure
If your junk bin has any of such hideous gems... .I'd LOVE to buy one !!
Rich Pinder Van Nuys CA ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:40:38 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]"Adaptive Re-Use:" '74 Raleigh Professional Message-ID: <47B79096.10807@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Message: 12
This from the DC Craigslist. "1974 Raleigh Pro Mk.IV frame converted to a fixed gear. Serial Number is: WM4011661 (for those of you interested in vintage Raleighs.) Tubes are Reynolds 531 throughout, with Campagnolo dropouts. Bottom bracket has "CC" cut out which I believe means it was made in the Carlton factory.
"Seat tube is 56cm c-to-c. Top Tube is 55.5cm c-to-c.
"When I got the frame the paint was a little rough, and the fork had a problem with the threads. I sent the frame off to a paint shop to have it stripped and primed. I then painted it myself in black, light blue and white. Also used an entire bottle of clearcoat to protect the finish (which has worked a bit). Paint is a bit chipped in places, and there are two minor dings on the seattube near where a front derailleur would go. They don't make any difference and are not noticeable at all."
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/
I don't normally list bikes from DC Craigslist, since some of us want them for ourselves. But, this one is no longer a vintage bike, and it is the Marque that listmember Emily O'Brien rode fixed on PBP this Fall. and they weren't that uncommon. And I don't think anyone I know here is into buying it, even me, and I'm really into funky.
just don't tempt me to get the Sears/531 townie conversion that was listed a couple of weeks ago. Again. Not for $200.
harvey sachs mcLean va. ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:52:20 -0800 From: "Adam Schwarcz" <adam@onetwentyeight.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]ISO: 40H 700C Silver Box Section Rim. Message-ID: <5e45e6370802161752g59edd400oc94b5dc4724f937e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: adam@onetwentyeight.com Message: 13
40H 700c MA2 or similar silver box section rim. Used is okay, as long as it's in good structural condition.
I'm also looking for an ASC trigger. I'm aware of the one on ebay right now, and will go for that if I dont find one here. My Carlton Flyer restoration project is getting closer and closer! Yay!
Best
Adam Schwarcz San Francisco.
-- http://www.onetwentyeight.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:18:23 -0800 From: "Otis" <otis@otisrecords.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]tied and soldered spokes Message-ID: <BEC4FF497D6645009A3729A86DBCDD88@JonPC> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODyX5gXpTVy000010cf@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODyX5gXpTVy000010cf@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14
Anybody out there have a spool of wire suitable for tying spokes? I'm rebuilding a Bianchi Super Pista that came with tied and soldered spokes. I have to rebuild the rear wheel and want to match it to the original build. I
checked the archives which shows DT still offers the wire, but I only need enough to do one wheel so would rather not have to buy a whole spool.
If anybody can supply the material or just offer some advice on the procedure I would appreciate it. I actually remember tying the spokes on my BMX racer in about 1974 but I never soldered them.
Thanks, Jon Williams Grants Pass OR USA
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:23:20 EST From: Crumpy6204@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 62, Issue 65 Brit and IT Message-ID: <cb6.24389d7a.34e8f498@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
Lube is the answer. Lots of it. Cheers John Crump OldlubedupBrit. Parker. Co USA
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:59:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Poore <rauler83@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Dave Chauner's Olympic Paramount track bike on ebay 56cm Message-ID: <329080.96628.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 16
Been out of the loop for so long now and don't know if anyone has pointed this one out. Kind of cool with the Munchen decal still on the frame that the riders received when they got to the games. I believe Dave was one of the member of the the 4 man pursuit team along with Mike Hiltner (Maryland Mike), not sure of the other members. The fork crown has not been drilled and the size is 56cm. Item number 160208873128 and it is only at $380 with 2 1/2 days left.
Mark Poore in sunny and warm Lady Lake, Florida, USA
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:02:08 -0800 (PST) From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay: Cornale...Oh, Norris... Message-ID: <368042.5378.qm@web90501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 17
1970s Cornale offered on Ebay. No relation.
Ebay #: 360023562837
Not much in the archives. Flat tipped seat stays like a Gianni Motta but no socket frame ends. Windowed, but simple lugs that are unusually nicely filed for an Italian bike of this era, yet a seat cluster that looks like it was added by an assistant after the master frame builder went home for some amore. A fleur de lys, or whatever the Italians might call it, is pantographed on the fork crown. Does this suggest early 80s? Seller describes it thus:
"Campagnolo, Ofmega, Universal, Regina, Cineli, TTT, etc. The BB, HS and hubs are all excellent and recently overhauled. ORIGINAL PAINT and CHROME in grand condition! Italian threaded. Nice vintage ride from an little known Italian maker. Columbus tubing. (I am guessing on actual year of manufacture, but I think I am close.) The rims are rare and the logo lovely! Cineli - old logo - stem and bars!"
Anyone know any history of this brand?
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay: Perucci Message-ID: <73027.38429.qm@web90505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 18
Perruci on Ebay. No relation. Did Vito build this or someone else? Fascinating bike. BSA cranks. Ava stem. Balilla side pulls.Brooks B17 seat. 531 sticker. Double plate fork crown. Wood fenders. Universal shift lever on down tube. What looks like a 3-speed derailleur. You tell me what kind. 360023576295
Don Wilson Los Olivos, CA USA
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