Hi Charles!
I hardly have to tell you, a leading bike expert, that little is known about vintage bikes "for sure", let alone about Pogliaghi who ran a very loose ship.
The serial number puts the bike as late as 1980 and surely, Pogliaghi would been happy to provide a pantographed frame for a customer with money in hand.
Now whether the pantographed parts were "original" to the bike will never be known, and , whether or not pantography is "effete" is a value judgement which each collector must decide.
The bike's current price is speaking loudly about its worth to at least a few of them.
George
George Hollenberg MD
> I was actually responsible for the first pogliaghi timeline on
> the CR list. Based on extant examples. I see no reason to
> change it much. That frame on ebay is circa 1978.
>
> My point was that the pantographed parts do not match the
> vintage of the frame. I think they were put on the bike later.
> You didn't see this pantographing on factory pogliaghis until
> the early 80s, at the earliest.. based on bikes I've seen. Two
> friends here locally have 80s pogliaghis with these panto'd
> parts, that were original to the bikes.
>
> That makes the ebay bike worth less than if the parts were
> original to it, to me, anyway.
>
> I'm hoping someone knows for sure about this..
>
> Charles
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> To: Charles Andrews
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> Subject: Re: [CR]pogliaghi on ebay
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> I'm impressed, but not at all surprised, at this price so far
> achieved on this bike-and I suspect it will rise higher yet.
> While it is true that some prize a yet earlier style, it's
> obvious that there are others who might prefer this era.
> The pantography and rare parts certainly comprise an
> attractive package, that, when multiplied by the bike's apparent
> pristine condition, readily explains its current price.
> As far as a true time-line, none is to be had-the the one on
> CR is a accurate as can be found. The serial number puts the
> bike about 1976-1979. I have a track bike from the same period.
> It is my understanding that Sante was still running his shop at
> that time.
> Pantography was simply more common on road bikes than track
> bikes-more stuff to pantograph, and furthermore, I believe that
> track frames were more frequently sold as framesets. I have
> pictures (sent to me by other collectors) of Pog track bikes
> from this period with pantographed stems and seat pilars. The
> most beautiful pantography, present on most Pog tack bikes, was
> on the fork plateau.
> George
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Andrews
> Date: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:37 pm
> Subject: [CR]pogliaghi on ebay
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> > I have to say, I'm very impressed with just how high this
> > Pogliaghi is
> > going..
> >
> >
> http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Nice bike, but not the really early style most prized by
> some of us.
> >
> > And am I wrong, or are those panto'd parts a little
> > anachronistic?
> > would this bike have come with those parts? Or were they
> > installed
> > later? It'd be interesting to know if the panto'd stuff
> showed
> > up by
> > the late 70s on Pogliaghis..I had thought that was an 80's
> artifact. >
> > It always struck me that pantographing and similar
> decoration on
> > Pogliaghis was somehow not consonant with the track-racing
> fame
> > of the
> > marque. Such decoration seeming a bit effete for a marque
> like
> > this. I
> > can't help wondering if that sort of thing didn't end up on
> > Pogliaghis
> > after the maestro had retired..if that were true (and I have
> no
> > proof to
> > offer), then those parts would post-date that frame somewhat.
> >
> > Anyone here have the real timeline?
> >
> > Charles Andrews
> > Los Angeles
> >
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George Hollenberg MD
CT, USA