Re: [CR]Was: World's Rainbow Stripes. Now: Olympic rings

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:27:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John Barry" <usazorro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Was: World's Rainbow Stripes. Now: Olympic rings
To: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca>, "robert st.cyr" <rpstcyr@hotmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <000b01c88896$ecd1bf20$0300a8c0@ourlaptop>
cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Am I incorrect in my supposition that, up until some point, it was not a big deal to put Olympic rings on a bicycle? Witness the referenced Witcombe, Ephgrave, and the faint, but unmistakable traces of the rings on the J.A. Holland that sits in my basement waiting for a sunny day. Weren't there rings on some versions/years of Paramounts?

Were there any rules regarding the usage? Could any maker slap them on their frames? Would it have been reserved for makers of bicycles that won a gold medal? Some medal? Entered in competition? Were there royalties involved?

I freely profess my ignorance, and I'm hoping someone can provide some insight into the practice.

Thanks,

John Barry Mechanicsburg (an obscure, but nice place to live) PA, USA


--- "Dr. Paul Williams" wrote:


> The mid-50s Carpenters had the Olympic rings on the
> headbadge as seen in Ken
> Sanford's 1956 Carpenter:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.PopularAlbum&g2_albumId=163986&g2_itemId=164669
>
> My 49 Carpenter doesn't have these rings but rather
> the shop address - in
> this case the bombed out pre-war premises at Penton
> St. and not the post-war
> Surbiton Rd.
>
> Paul Williams,
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert st.cyr" <rpstcyr@hotmail.com>
> To: "Dale Brown" <oroboyz@aol.com>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]Was: World's Rainbow Stripes. Now:
> Olympic rings
>
>
> >
> > All,
> > The Olympic rings go back at least to 1959-I have
> a set of Olympic
> > transfer
> > s on my Simplex/Witcomb that has been confirmed by
> Barry Witcomb to be
> > accu
> > rate and original.
> > Robert St.Cyr
> > Davis/Sacramento, California USA> To:
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Date:
> > Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:56:07 -0400> From:
> oroboyz@aol.com> Subject: [CR]Was:
> > World's Rainbow Stripes. Now: Olympic rings> > >
> << Dale, any idea how
> > long
> > the Olympic rings have been trademarked?> >
> ....(snip)....Did other builde
> > rs use the Olympic rings on their bikes? >>> > Not
> sure how long but for
> > qu
> > ite a while! > > The Olympic rings are not used in
> the same way as the
> > Worl
> > ds Championship stripes.. The rings do not imply a
> gold medal winner,
> > etc.,
> > but instead are licensed to those "officially"
> associated with the Olympic
> > organization... It most often has to do with
> pecuniary considerations bein
> > g rendered (i.e., paying to use them in a
> promotional way!)> > ?> > > Dale
> > Brown> Greensboro, North Carolina? USA> > > > > >
> > -----Original
> > Message--
> > ---> From: Mark Battley <mark.battley@xtra.co.nz>>
> To:
> > classicrendezvous@bi
> > kelist.org> Cc: oroboyz@aol.com> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar
> 2008 3:38 am> Subject:
> > W
> > orld's Rainbow Stripes/Olympic rings> > > > > > >
> > > > > Dale commented:>
> > ------------------------------> << Please bear in
> mind that there is no
> > req
> > uirement that a bike/rider win a> World
> Championship for the? rainbow
> > strip
> > es to placed on a BIKE. It's a> tradition, but not
> a rule, unless the UCI
> > h
> > as changed things in recent?> years.>>> >
> Absolutely true. > It's
> > interesti
> > ngly that the Olympic rings are trademarked but
> not the World's> Rainbow
> > St
> > ripes. > It is a strong convention
> > though.> ------------------------------>
> > > Dale, any idea how long the Olympic rings have
> been trademarked?> > Reas
> > on I'm interested is that it appears that in the
> 1960s Colnago may have
> > use
> > d> the Olympic rings on some bikes that were
> intended for use at the
> > Olympi
> > cs. I> have a photograph of a 1960s Colnago track
> bike with a headtube
> > logo
> > /badge that> includes the Olympic rings as well as
> "Rome 1960" (also with
> > "
> > Colnago",> "Cambiago" and the colours of the
> Italian flag. > > I recently
> > m
> > et with the second owner of my 1968ish Colnago>
> > (http://picasaweb.google.co
> > m/MarkABattley/1968Colnago) who bought the bike
> from> Jim Brittain in
> > 1972.
> > Bruce told me that the bike was originally
> intended for> the French team f
> > or the 1968 Mexico Olympics, and had a
> headbadge/decal that> consisted of
> > t
> > he Olympic rings, with Mexico above and 1968
> below. Bruce is> trying to
> > fin
> > d his photographs of the bike.> > Did other
> builders use the Olympic rings
> > on their bikes?> > Best regards,> > Mark Battley>
> Auckland, New Zealand,
> > Do
> > wn Under> > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report --
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