[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 65, Issue 99


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Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 65, Issue 99

Of course i am assuming you will most of the way to CA


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> 1. Lugged steel bike ride this Sunday... (Chuck Schmidt)
> 2. Milled/slotted botom brackets (EPL)
> 3. Cable guides on that #17 Carlsbad Masi (Tom Sanders)
> 4. re: Milled and Slotted BB Shells . . .
> 5. Re: Alex Singer FS at Cirque (Edward Albert)
> 6. Room at Best Western for Cirque (Tom Sanders)
> 7. Custom Stem (Michael Thompson)
> 8. Cinelli Frameset Vintage Frame Fixed - eBay (item 300228570117
> end time Jun-01-08 14:13:00 PDT) (Bob Freitas)
> 9. WTB: Mephisto 700c A Bloc clincher rim (David G. White)
> 10. Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> 11. WTB Campy SR items, Pista HS, Seatpost, 151 ring + Cinelli Saddle
> (Sean Flores)
> 12. new batch being cooked and taking orders.campy nr/sr world repro
> brake hoods
> 13. Specialized Allez (Bianca Pratorius)
> 14. More Closest Stuff ... For Sale this Time. (Robert Clair)
> 15. Sellwood alert--Raleigh Pro frame, KOF tandem (David Feldman)
> 16. Re: Specialized Allez (Jeff Slotkin)
> 17. re: Specialized Allez (randy dugan)
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> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:45:41 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Lugged steel bike ride this Sunday...
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> Lugged steel, vintage, fixed, Bobish bikes or women riding anything
> with two wheels welcomed and encouraged to attend!
>
> Details:
> http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena
> Southern California
> United States of America
>
> http://www.velo-retro.com
> (lots of new reprints,
> lots of new t-shirts,
> plus the same old timelines
> on the new website)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Milled/slotted botom brackets
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> I see that Nagasawas, in particular, but also some Raleighs, featured BB
> shells that are slotted as many as 3-8 times, road as well as track
> frames.
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Japan/Nagasawa/Interbike_03.htm
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/Japan/Nagasawa/2005_interbike/Nagasa6.jpg
>
> Is there a down side to this -- does anyone believe that with a cast shell
> this results in noticeable flexibility?
>
> Would like to read comments from Nagasawa owners in particular, but any
> riders of significantly cut BB shell bikes are good too..
>
> Emanuel Lowi
> Montreal, Quebec
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:47:14 -0400
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tesanders@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Cable guides on that #17 Carlsbad Masi
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> Lou is in the same boat I am in that I have never seen cable guides on
> one,
> either. However, it should be noted that they were a $10 option on the
> sales brochure of the period.there is some possibility that they might be
> original.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:09:01 -0700
> From: <emeneff@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]re: Milled and Slotted BB Shells . . .
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> Dear Mr. Lowi,
>
> Well, if it is such a possible problem then perhaps someone should tell
> poor
> old Mr. Nagasawa !
>
> My Gosh ! - he's been building frames for all these DECADES for top-level
> competitors and world champions and the ignorant old FOOL must have never
> realized this !
>
> Thank heavens that someone on-the-ball from the good-old Classic Rendezous
> list is around to edumacate him about the terrible contribution to frame
> flex his slotted bottom brackets must be causing. Y'know the Japanese
> obviously don't know much about bikes in general, and track bikes in
> particular (do they even have any velodromes or track racing over there at
> all ?)- so don't waste any valuable time ! Mr. Nagasawa - san is nowadays
> in
> his early-sixties and since he'll probably be retiring soon it is of the
> UTMOST importance that he find out your expert concerns so he can revise
> his
> whippy bottom bracket shells before he loses his OBVIOUSLY undeserved
> reputation.
>
> Nagasawa's address is :
> Nagasawa Racing Cycle
> 1-5-5 Tanabe, Kashiwara, Osaka, Japan
>
> Please Emanuel - write him as soon as you can to express your concerns !
>
> I'm sure he needs a laugh as much as the next guy !!! <G!!>
>
> Regards,
> Mike Fabian
> San Francisco, CA USA
>
> Original Post :
>
> From: EPL <lowiemanuel(AT)yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [CR]Milled/slotted botom brackets
>
> I see that Nagasawas, in particular, but also some Raleighs, featured BB
> shells that are slotted as many as 3-8 times, road as well as track
> frames.
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Japan/Nagasawa/Interbike_03.htm
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/Japan/Nagasawa/2005_interbike/Nagasa6.jpg
>
> Is there a down side to this -- does anyone believe that with a cast shell
> this results in noticeable flexibility?
>
> Would like to read comments from Nagasawa owners in particular, but any
> riders of significantly cut BB shell bikes are good too..
>
> Emanuel Lowi
> Montreal, Quebec
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:09:03 -0400
> From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Alex Singer FS at Cirque
> Message-ID: <s841863f.083@gw15.hofstra.edu>
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> FYI, If you had expressed an interest in the singer I will not be
> taking it to Cirque. To many bikes, not enough room.
> Edward Albert,
> Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A
>
> Edward Albert, Ph.D.
> Prof. Emeritus, Sociology
> Hofstra University
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:12:18 -0400
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tesanders@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Room at Best Western for Cirque
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> Regrettably, my buddy Ray has to cancel for Cirque. I have half of a
> non-smoking room for Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night
> available.
> Drop me a line if you are looking for a room.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Thompson <meauxtown@yahoo.com>
> To: CR Main Address <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Custom Stem
> Message-ID: <686192.23658.qm@web63415.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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> I just purchased two Jack Taylor Small wheel model f/f's, and I'll need
> custom, tall quill, stems made for said frames. I contacted a couple of
> frame builders (via email) and had no response from either. Can anyone out
> there refer me to a builder that might like to take on the project?
> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/taylor/images/small_wheeler.jpg
> Michael Thompson
> Monroe, LA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:40:11 -0700
> From: Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net>
> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Cinelli Frameset Vintage Frame Fixed - eBay (item
> 300228570117
> end time Jun-01-08 14:13:00 PDT)
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>
> Someone save this frameset from the hacksaw
> BOB FREITAS
> MILL VALLEY, CA USA
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300228570117&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:44:35 -0400
> From: "David G. White" <whiteknight@burlingtontelecom.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Mephisto 700c A Bloc clincher rim
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> A long shot request: I need one Mephisto A Bloc clincher rim. Do you
> have a spare one around you'd sell?
>
> Rim shot #1
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/1963Cinelli/As+received/1963+Cinelli+1193+-+front+wheel+Mephisto+decal.JPG.html (mapped)
> Rim Shot #2
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/1963Cinelli/As+received/1963+Cinelli+1193+-+fork+crown_+lower+head+lug+-+rear+view.JPG.html (mapped)
>
> or paste the URLs below into your browser.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/1963Cinelli/As+received/1963+Cinelli+1193+-+front+wheel+Mephisto+decal.JPG.html (mapped)
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/David-G-Whites-Bikes/1963Cinelli/As+received/1963+Cinelli+1193+-+fork+crown_+lower+head+lug+-+rear+view.JPG.html (mapped)
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> David G. White
> Burlington, VT
> USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:47:17 EDT
> From: Rnitro1969@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
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>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:59:21 -0700
> From: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB Campy SR items, Pista HS, Seatpost, 151 ring + Cinelli
> Saddle
> Message-ID: <4E1704B8-0A10-4E47-8A94-67C09A647484@gmail.com>
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> Sold a few bits and invested in my first brand new frame in years.
> 2008 Cinelli Super Pista. Definitely a KOF, lugged columbus steel,
> original geometry, chrome, the whole nine. They made them in very
> limited numbers, I think only three were sent to San Francisco in total.
>
> Going full super record on this. Have cranks, wheelset, bb, etc, just
> a few more bits needed to seal the deal:
>
> 27.2 Super Record Seatpost, fluted (scratches are okay, going to polish)
> Super Record Pista Headset, english (yes english) thread (will trade
> for italian if interested)
> Campy SR/NR reenforced 151 BCD chainring, looking for something 43-45
> tops (not sure what the smallest size was)
>
> Also looking for one of the following:
>
> unicanitor saddle, either smooth leather of buffalo suede.
> Cinelli Volare SLX saddle, black perforated leather
> Concor Supercorsa Profil, smooth or perforated leather
>
> Trades are more than welcome, have lots of french fun, etc. Let me
> know what you are looking for.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Sean Flores
> San Francisco, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:02:39 EDT
> From: Rnitro1969@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]new batch being cooked and taking orders.campy nr/sr world
> repro
> brake hoods
> Message-ID: <d0a.26509c9f.3573330f@aol.com>
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> greetings
>
> PLEASE NOTE !!!
>
> after the next 2 to 3 dozen pairs of hoods
> i will have to increase the cost per pair
> by $2.00 due to material cost increase.
> i am still on the last of my materials but
> they are about to run out. i will let
> everyone know when this happens but for
> now the prices are the same.
>
> cr list pricing
>
> $49.00 per pair
>
> $39.00 per pair for 3 or more pairs
> when ordered at the same time.
>
> add $8.00 per order shipping
> paypal or check in advance please.
>
> thanks again
> robbie fellows
> lakewood,ca.
> usa
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:59:52 -0400
> From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Specialized Allez
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> As far as 3Rensho being the house of manufacture for some Allez bikes
> and not others, I would have to call people's attention to the enormous
> variations between bikes from 3Rensho during the 80's. My friend,
> Robert Weiser, (list member) restored a red Allez and the workmanship
> on this Suntour Superbe and Specialized proprietary bike was
> exceptional. The ride was stiff, predictable and racy. My personal
> badged 3Rensho had medium point lugs, workmanship errors and
> characteristic blue fade paint. The ride is fine but the look is very
> much of a lesser quality than my friend's Allez. I doubt anyone can say
> for sure that Mr. Konno was building anything to one exact standard or
> degree of lug thinning during those 'rush to get them out the door'
> years. If Robert's Allez ain't a 3Rensho than the evidence is not in
> offset fork or unthinned lugs. No one doubts my 3Rensho is the real
> thing but rather than repaint it after self thinning the lugs I just
> sent it off to NYC so I'll have a bike there whenever I'm in town. It's
> a tough bike for the mean streets of the big apple.
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:54:16 -0500
> From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]More Closest Stuff ... For Sale this Time.
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> ... actually these came from a bottom drawer in an armoir (did i spell
> that
> properly?). anyway if anyone is interested:
> ... all are medium quality tees (unless noted) from the period. $5 each,
> and we're really not interested into getting into the shipping bidness.
> 1. palo alto wheel on wheel.
> 2. columbus dove on white.
> 3. columbus dove on blue.
> 4. another palo alto with the ree logo.
> 5. anothe palo alto with the tree logo, long sleeve.
> 6. a pink marymoor in large.
> 7. a green nat cap open from 1985 in xl.
> 8. a 531 in green.
> 9. a blue columbus dove long sleeve.
> 10. R @ E in black.
> 11. two more yellow palo alto trees.
>
> god in heaven. i can't believe we wore all these. and some more stuff
> ...
>
> 12. marresi red white green shoes, used but you know what these are:)
> ...
> if i got 'em, they must still be usable. size 41. with new white (as
> in real shoes) shoe laces. $50-
>
> 13. i'm sure there will be something else to follow ...
>
> robert clair
> alexandria, va 22308
> usa
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:58:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Feldman <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Sellwood alert--Raleigh Pro frame, KOF tandem
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> Sellwood Cycle Repair in Portland has a couple of items that listmembers
> sh
> ould know about:=0A1. 58cm Raleigh Pro frame ca @ 1976-77--fastback,
> slopin
> g crown fork, silver and black, $250.00,=0Aand a KOF tandem for tall peop
> le, a Lippy that's 64cm in front and 56 in back. Apologies, Dale, if thi
> s is an inappropriate post. I have no formal commercial association with
> Sellwood, just friends with the owner.=0ADavid Feldman=0AVancouver, WA=0A
> =0A=0A
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:11:11 -0400
> From: Jeff Slotkin <jeffslotkin@comcast.net>
> To: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Specialized Allez
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> I thought the same of the various Allezes attributed to 3Rensho, but
> the nice ones sure are nice.
>
> Jeff Slotkin
> Charleston, SC USA
>
>
> On May 31, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Bianca Pratorius wrote:
>
>> As far as 3Rensho being the house of manufacture for some Allez
>> bikes and not others, I would have to call people's attention to the
>> enormous variations between bikes from 3Rensho during the 80's. My
>> friend, Robert Weiser, (list member) restored a red Allez and the
>> workmanship on this Suntour Superbe and Specialized proprietary bike
>> was exceptional. The ride was stiff, predictable and racy. My
>> personal badged 3Rensho had medium point lugs, workmanship errors
>> and characteristic blue fade paint. The ride is fine but the look is
>> very much of a lesser quality than my friend's Allez. I doubt anyone
>> can say for sure that Mr. Konno was building anything to one exact
>> standard or degree of lug thinning during those 'rush to get them
>> out the door' years. If Robert's Allez ain't a 3Rensho than the
>> evidence is not in offset fork or unthinned lugs. No one doubts my
>> 3Rensho is the real thing but rather than repaint it after self
>> thinning the lugs I just sent it off to NYC so I'll have a bike
>> there whenever I'm in town. It's a tough bike for the mean streets
>> of the big apple.
>>
>> Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA
>>
> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: re: [CR]Specialized Allez
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> Garth,
>
> Does your 3Rensho look like this?:
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Japan/3rensho/SRExport/photos/photo1.html
>
> If so, it's a Katana S. Here's what Andrew Muzi (the 3Rensho importer)
> had to say about them:
>
> "3RENSHO Katana/S. Built with the same Ishiwata 022 tubes by the same
> builder (Mr Makino or Makino-san to you) to the same Yoshi Konno geometry
> wrote for the 3Rensho team bike Katana Pro. These frames have classic
> simple lugs and a basic finish quality in a distinctive white and blue
> fade. This is the best value in a new racing frameset we've seen at just
> $SOLD"
> - from the yellowjersey.org site:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/specials.html
>
> Note that it was built to the same geometry, but not to the same finish
> standards as other 3Rensho frames, as it was meant to be a "value"
> product. According to email to me from Andrew Muzi, the Katana/S was
> produced after Konno's accident, between 1988 and 1992. It's not an
> apples-to-apples comparison to other 3Rensho bikes, or the 3Rensho Allez.
> Still a nice bike, i used to have one:
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Randy+Dugan/3renshokatanas/ But,
> without paint and decals, one would be hard pressed to ID it as a 3Rensho.
>
> I don't understand your comment about Robert's bike - are you saying it's
> a 3Rensho Allez, but doesn't have thin lugs or an offset fork crown? If
> that's the case, then it's probably an SE, which also makes sense given
> that they came stock with a mix of Suntour Superbe and Specialized parts.
> As I and others said yesterday, the SE was built by Miyata, not 3Rensho.
>
> Randy Dugan
> Van Nuys, CA USA
>
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> From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita(AT)comcast.net>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:59:52 -0400
> Subject: [CR]Specialized Allez
>
> As far as 3Rensho being the house of manufacture for some Allez bikes
> and not others, I would have to call people's attention to the enormous
> variations between bikes from 3Rensho during the 80's. My friend,
> Robert Weiser, (list member) restored a red Allez and the workmanship
> on this Suntour Superbe and Specialized proprietary bike was
> exceptional. The ride was stiff, predictable and racy. My personal
> badged 3Rensho had medium point lugs, workmanship errors and
> characteristic blue fade paint. The ride is fine but the look is very
> much of a lesser quality than my friend's Allez. I doubt anyone can say
> for sure that Mr. Konno was building anything to one exact standard or
> degree of lug thinning during those 'rush to get them out the door'
> years. If Robert's Allez ain't a 3Rensho than the evidence is not in
> offset fork or unthinned lugs. No one doubts my 3Rensho is the real
> thing but rather than repaint it after self thinning the lugs I just
> sent it off to NYC so I'll have a bike there whenever I'm in town. It's
> a tough bike for the mean streets of the big apple.
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA
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