Heating the aluminum seat post may very well work but don't heat it to the
point of trying to melt it. You can use a torch like the one a plumber wou
ld use to sweat copper pipe. Heat the exposed aluminum post long enough to
allow it to conduct the heat down into the seat tube. The different metal
s have different rates of thermal expansion. This movement will often brea
k the bond between the two metals. I recently used this method to remove a
pedal stuck in a crank arm.> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org>
Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 67, Issue 10> To: classicrendez
vous@bikelist.org> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:11:10 -0700> > Send Classicre
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y's Topics:> > 1. Re: Bike Weight (John Betmanis)> 2. RE: What diameter sea
tpin for Eisentraut A Model? (Earle Young)> 3. Shipping rims (David Bean)>
4. D'Alessandra/Woolistic ?? (Robert Clair)> 5. Re: Info about Dolmen bikes
and my parts wanted (John Betmanis)> 6. Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame
or complete bike (Manfred Hegwer)> 7. RE: Shipping rims (R.S. Broderick)> 8
. Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)> 9. RE: When
shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> (Raymond Dobbins)> 10.
Re: Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> 11. Changes in cockpit with introduc
tion and changes in brifters> (Harry Travis)> 12. RE: Semi-annual stuck sea
tpost thread (Scott L. Minneman)> 13. FS Viscount ( premium ) frame (Harry
Travis)> 14. Re: Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifte
rs> (ternst)> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
-------------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:06:03 -0400> From: John Betman
is <johnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR
]Bike Weight> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080702200603.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford
.net>> In-Reply-To: <8801bb250807021209s2d819148i7db9dba691cfd710@mail.gmai
l.co> m>> References: <BAY103-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> <BAY10
3-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charse
t="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 1> > At 01:09
PM 02/07/2008 -0600, Mitch Harris wrote:> > >There were two cyclists the
re on> >mid-level recent race bikes who were explaining how to choose a> >b
icycle to two motocyclists who were apparently curious.> >> >The racer cycl
ist pointed to our bikes as we rode up, mine that day an> >early 70s Engl
ish race bike, hers an early 80s Batavus Professional,> >and was saying
loudly to the Harley riders:> >> >"Now look at these two bikes, they mig
ht be as old as ten years ago> >and they weigh between 35 and 40 pounds whi
ch was lightweight back> >then."> > Of course, the Harley riders were pro
bably amazed that a bicycle could be> made as light as 35 or 40 pounds, s
ince their beasts weigh about half a ton> and need a crane to get them upri
ght again, should they topple over. (When> I was doing motocross back in
the late 1960s, 200 pounds was a good weight> for a 250, 20 pounds less
for a 250 trials bike. The concept of weight is a> whole different thing t
o the Harley crowd; probably something like, the> greater the weight,
the smoother the ride.> > Oh, and as fot the two cyclists on "mid-level
recent race bikes", they were> probably not even a twinkle in their paren
ts' eyes when we were riding 20> pound steel bikes.> > John Betmanis> Woods
tock, Ontario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 J
ul 2008 19:18:51 -0500> From: "Earle Young" <earle.young@tds.net>> To: <cla
ssicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]RE: What diameter seatpin for Ei
sentraut A Model?> Message-ID: <001901c8dca2$60470960$0200a8c0@pcearle>> Re
ferences: <MONKEYFOODHdXcQw8qB00001f83@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> Content-Ty
pe: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=
original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: l
ist> Message: 2> > Ben S. said (in part) > Eisentraut was known to often mi
x tubing gauges in > his frames, so there isn't likely a "standard" seatp
ost> > size.> >> Early editions of Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechan
ics used to devote > a whole page to just this:> > "One measurement is wort
h a thousand expert opinions."> > Enough said.> > Earle Young,> Madison
, Wisc.> Offering expert wheelbuilding service for classic and modern bik
es.> http://www.earleyoung.com > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed,
2 Jul 2008 19:48:27 -0400> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>> To: "CR Lis
t (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> M
essage-ID: <000201c8dc9e$205c6a10$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>> Content-Type: text/pl
ain;charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com> Message: 3> > I received
a pair of rims alone simply wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tap
e. They were sent priority mail. I wonder if the oddity of the> annular pac
kage led to more careful handling. It seems likely they'd wind> up on top o
f any heap.> > The most recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a la
rge rectangular> box. Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from e
ach other and> from all 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboa
rd spacers ran> parallel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like i
t had a lot of> room to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > D
avid Bean> Arlington, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ----------
--------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:09 -0500> From: "Robe
rt Clair" <r.clair@cox.net>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: pica
bo58@earthlink.net> Subject: [CR]D'Alessandra/Woolistic ??> Message-ID: <00
bc01c8dca6$53144ba0$0202a8c0@Leo>> References: <952857.40367.qm@web44907.ma
il.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="
iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-
Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > was going to the proverbial
"back closet" to find something different to > wear to the gym tomorrow ..
. and we found this thing, still with the > original tags.> > it's a top
, a merino, and on the back in heavy stitching is:> > FREDRIKSHOF> > th
anks alex (i think) this looks like a keeper ! any idea what we found > her
e.> > robert clair> alexandria, va 22308> usa > > -----------------------
-------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:57:22 -0400> From: John Betmanis <jo
hnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Info
about Dolmen bikes and my parts wanted> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.2008070220572
2.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford.net>> In-Reply-To: <486B0A00.9040308@gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Prece
dence: list> Message: 5> > I have a 1960s Jeunet track bike with those exac
t same lugs and crank set,> but the seatstays don't wrap around like that
.> http://www.wooljersey.com/
info about it.> >> >It is equipped with CLB 700 brakes and levers, Kipri
m steel stem / bar, > >Nervar single ring 3 arm cottered cranks, Simple
x LJ shifter, Lefol > >fenders, Ideale saddle, Radios #16 light, et
c.> >> >Photos here:> >http://photobucket.com/dolmen> >> >Let me know if yo
u have any info / ideas about this bike.> > > John Betmanis> Woodstock, O
ntario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 2
0:41:36 -0500> From: Manfred Hegwer <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com>> To: <class
icrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame
or complete bike> Message-ID: <BAY102-W21F594AEE3212C2F176BC3B2980@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"> MIME-Version: 1.0>
Precedence: list> Message: 6> > > I'm searching for a 1980-1983 Guerciotti
57 or 58 cm Columbus SL frame or c> omplete bike. Condition of paint/finish
is unimportant as this is a restor> ation project. I'm not interested in a
bent or crash damaged examples. I> 'm also interested in "near pristine ri
der" examples of the above. I'm bra> nd new to the list and beg your pardon
if this posting is not in keeping wi> th the list rules. Also, I would l
ike to post a profile as the instructi> ons of the list encourage but it is
unclear to me how I do this. Any help > is greatly appreciated.> > Thanks
,> > Manfred Hegwer> Lincolnshire, IL> manfredhegwer@hotmail.com> _____
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1:12:31 -0500> From: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com>> To: <classicren
dezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: beandk@rcn.com> Subject: RE: [CR]Shipping rims>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9527861E14CAEFA9F6E129C980@phx.gbl>> Message-ID: <00
8f01c8dcb2$4038e8e0$6401a8c0@MEDIFACTOR7>> In-Reply-To: <000201c8dc9e$205c6
a10$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"> MI
ME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rsb000@hotmail.com> Message: 7
> > David,> > Funny that you should mention this as several years back I
received in > the> mail from a rather well known establishment in England a
pair of NOS > vintage> MAVIC Bleu SSC rims packaged just as you described.
This unnamed > merchant> had covered a single rim in thin bubble wrap and
then used a larger > version> of bubble wrap along with some clear tape to
secure the second rim to > the> first, thereby effectively entombing both
in the process. Quite frankly > I> was stunned to see the pair arrive as t
hey did looking every bit like > what> one might snidely consider to be a C
.P.S.C. compliant version of the> hula-hoop. But after freeing them from th
eir nominal plastic bondage I> placed them individually on a large flat met
al surface and followed that > up> with a quick roll out check so as to con
firm the fact that, yes indeed> folks, they had survived their trans-At
lantic journey in absolutely > perfect> stead.> > Still, I prefer to use
rim specific packaging boxes secured from my LBS> (...I have a standing req
uest for them to hold back good examples for me > to> collect - hey, they
make perfect storage containers for your as yet to > be> built spare rims
too) with each rim wrapped individually in a light > layer of> foam - and I
have never once had a problem in shipping using this> methodology.> > Robe
rt "whoda thunk?" Broderick> ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota> Siou
x Falls, USA> > > -----Original Message-----> From: classicrendezvous-bou
nces@bikelist.org> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behal
f Of David Bean> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:48 PM> To: CR List (E
-mail)> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> > I received a pair of rims alone simpl
y wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tape. They were sent priority
mail. I wonder if the oddity of > the> annular package led to more careful
handling. It seems likely they'd > wind> up on top of any heap.> > The most
recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a large > rectangular> box.
Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from each other and> from a
ll 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboard spacers > ran> par
allel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like it had a lot > of> r
oom to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > David Bean> Arling
ton, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ___________________________
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list> Message: 8> > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.>
> Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, which
had caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed
, which punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and
rubber Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I don
t care if I destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the sadd
le to use as lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new
magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could cut off the
post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get the rem
aining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and therefo
re soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestions or reposts
of old ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $86 for this, alt
hough the shipping was almost as much. And it has a good set of wheels, T
itlist deraillers and shifters and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brak
es, which probably is worth the $86, but the frame could be an interest
ing rider if I can get the damn post out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big
Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME
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> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:56:50 -
0700 (PDT)> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: dcwilson3
@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,> shop@cyclart.com> Subject:
RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> Message-I
D: <830989.355.qm@web63411.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <DAECJCGMAPNDN
DBOEMIKKEEPGPAA.shop@cyclart.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=is
o-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: raydobbins2003@yah
oo.com> Message: 9> > Greg, many years ago I received a frame back from y
ou guys with one of th> e wood blocks you mention. It is the best way to p
revent dropout and r/d> hanger damage that I have ever seen. Of course I u
sed it to ship a fram> e many years ago and I no longer have it. Could you
please post a photo > of it?> > Ray Dobbins> Miami FL USA> > --- On Wed
, 7/2/08, CyclArt Shop <shop@cyclart.com> wrote:> > From: CyclArt Shop
<shop@cyclart.com>> Subject: RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a chea
p hub substitute?> To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.or
g> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:58 PM> > Don,> > An old large-f
lange hub works very well. A bolt and nuts are ok for> preserving the axle
spacing, but they don't protect the derailleur hanger> from being bent th
e way a large-flange hub will. A hard enough hit can also> close the axle s
lots slightly, even with an axle substitute in place.> > The best alterna
tive is a cut piece of 2x2 lumber. We cut part of each end> off so that the
center of the block equals the axle spacing width. We leave> about a half-
inch ear on each end that is the thickness of the axle slot.> When inserted
into the dropouts, the ears fill the entire dropout slot, and> the blo
ck hangs down to protect the entire derailleur hanger.> > Pictures:> http:/
/www.cyclart.com/photos/block1.jpg> http://www.cyclart.com/
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> > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggested using a torch with enough h
eat to melt t> he aluminum post, since it will melt before the steel fram
e. Seems like a ra> dical solution. I have some reservations about it, es
pecially since that hea> t will be near the very nice seat tube cluster and
might weaken the brazed j> oint.> > > > > > If there's a better method,
I'd really love to hear of it.> > > > > Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, Califo
rnia> > USA> > > > > > > > > Â > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Je
rome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bike
list.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 pm> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck s
eatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpo
st thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stu
ck, which ha> d > caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the se
atpost exposed, which> > punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty
cheap steel and rubber > Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straig
ht post, so I dont care if > I > destroy both of them getting the post ou
t. Reinstalled the saddle to use as> > lever to try to move the post, no
luck so far.> > So any new magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, K
roil? I could cut > off > the post at the seat clamp, but that might just
make it harder to get the > remaining part out. Does the fact the straight
post is aluminum, and theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it
out? Any new suggestions or reposts of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I gue
ss, is I only pait $86 for this, although the shipping was> > almost as
much. And it has a good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > shifters
and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is worth>
the > $86, but the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the
damn post > out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> >
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"Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.or
g> Subject: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifter
s> Message-ID: <58dbc8400807022109t356e4967w3da70ea016bc57@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Conte
nt-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 11> > This seems a g
roup with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that this> question
can be best answered here.> > I have the impression that OT brifters, Sh
imano especially, stretch the> rider out if the bars had the same reach t
hey used to, long ago,or if those> mostly ugly stems for threadless hea
dsets were as long as gracefull quill> stems used to commonly be (120-130mm
)> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grown older and less flexible,
or was> there a change? I'm interested, not just for the history, but b
ecause I> don't recall seeing advice on fitting which would acknowledge and
compensate> for the change.> > Harry Travis> Washington, DC> USA> > > --
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:41:40 -0700> From: "Scott L. Minneman" <minne
man@onomy.com>> To: <cwstudio@aol.com>,> "'Rendezvous Classic'" <classicr
endezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: RE: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread
> Message-ID: <000c01c8dcc7$45e88c90$c601000a@H10N7>> In-Reply-To: <8CAAAD2
EB962909-12A0-4360@WEBMAIL-MC08.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain
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> > I would tend to say that you shouldn't let your framebuilder friend nea
r> your bikes...a silver-brazed frame will come apart right around the> tem
perature where the aluminum melts, and many steel alloys don't much > lik
e> to spend much time around/above the aluminum melting point (753 being >
the> classic example).> > Melting the aluminum out is *not* a wise approach
to dealing with a > stuck> seatpost, unless I'm missing something.> > Sc
ott Minneman> San Francisco, CA - USA> > -----Original Message-----> > Fr
om: cwstudio@aol.com [mailto:cwstudio@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02
, 2008 8:21 PM> To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net; classicrendezvous@bikelist
.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > I'm currently
dealing with the same problem. I've gone through the > various l> ubricant
s and the Kroil stage, and am finally considering simply cutting > the> p
ost off then cutting it internally in two places, the length of the > pos
t,> to remove it in pieces. > > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggest
ed using a torch with enough heat to > melt t> he aluminum post, since it
will melt before the steel frame. Seems like > a ra> dical solution. I hav
e some reservations about it, especially since that > hea> t will be near
the very nice seat tube cluster and might weaken the > brazed j> oint.> >
> > > > If there's a better method, I'd really love to hear of it.> > > >
> Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, California> > USA> > > > > > > > > > > > -
----Original Message-----> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglob
al.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 p
m> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, ti
me for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era
Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, > which ha> d > caused the seller
to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed, > which> > punched a
hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and rubber > > Messinge
r and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I dont care > if > I
> destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the saddle to > u
se as> > lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new mag
ic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could > cut > off > th
e post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get > the
> remaining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and >
theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestion
s or reposts > of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $
86 for this, although the shipping > was> > almost as much. And it has a
good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > > shifters and Viscount bars
, stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is > worth> the > $86, bu
t the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the damn > post > ou
t.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > ---
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day, posted somewhere online, I> believe this was their premium frame
of 3, to judge from the components,> including Titlist rear der/mech,
Ideal saddle, and tubular wheels. (Sale> includes only the parts in the
first sentence, above) IIRC, a review can> also be found on line. The b
ike compared favorably to the hi-tech jet> fighter in the background, but
I'm not sure whether I am recalling the> advert or the review.)> > Paint i
s mostly good without being burdensomely thick and heavy, the decals> in
head badge position, and on the seat tube very good. To judge from the> c
ondition of the tires and Lambert crankset (not included) this bike was> st
andard basement or garage ware, ie ridden <500 miles before being put> aw
ay.> > You may find a reference to this group's most trusted Hillary Stone
, for> some ideas on rebuilding here.> > http://bikecult.com/
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:10:24 -0700> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>,> <Classicrendezvous@bikeli
st.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes
in brifters> Message-ID: <000e01c8dcd3$7b2ce890$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>> Referen
ces: <58dbc8400807022109t356e4967w3da70ea016bc57@mail.gmail.com>> Content-T
ype: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type
=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence
: list> Message: 14> > You've answered your own Q., Harry.> Hold the two
levers next to one another and you noitice about a cm. + maybe > 1/2" longe
r body section to accomodate the mechanism inside.> So, it changes bar,
lever/handle, and stem relationship completely.> Guys like myself who ha
ve worked with fitting riders noticed this from the > very beginning and ha
d to compensate accordingly.> The anatomic bars along with various forward
throw bars have helped > alleviate some of the difficulties encountered at
first .> Ted Ernst> Palos Verdes Estates> CA USA> > ----- Original Message
----- > From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: <Classicrendezvo
us@bikelist.org>> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:09 PM> Subject: [CR]
Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifters> > > > This se
ems a group with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that > > thi
s> > question can be best answered here.> >> > I have the impression that O
T brifters, Shimano especially, stretch the> > rider out if the bars ha
d the same reach they used to, long ago,or if > > those> > mostly ugly
stems for threadless headsets were as long as gracefull quill> > stems used
to commonly be (120-130mm)> >> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grow
n older and less flexible, or was> > there a change? I'm interested, no
t just for the history, but because I> > don't recall seeing advice on fi
tting which would acknowledge and > > compensate> > for the change.> >> > H
arry Travis> > Washington, DC> > USA> >> >> > --- StripMime Report -- pro
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