Hi Alex:
Since I'm not fond of euphemisms I call all these operations just repa
irs since that's what they are.
Using terminology borrowed from the fine arts, etc., isn't appro
priate without definition.
Since you are a dealer, please give the List the price (were it for sa
le) for the Alcyon in good condition and the damaged one. You can add
your costs for repair.
Thanks,
George
George Hollenberg MD
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:41 am
Subject: Re : Bike and Repair Costs of Damaged Bikes
To: gholl@optonline.net
> Hi George,
>
> These bikes are not for sale.
>
> I don't believe the Alcyon with the most patina should be
> "repaired", as my post explained. Just some
> conservation/cleaning done.
>
> A good part of the the cleaning waxing I recommend could be done
> at low cost by the buyer himself. It would depend on the skills
> of the buyer.
>
> I have no idea what a professional shop in the US or Japan would
> charge do do this for the buyer. I don't farm any work out, an
y
> conservation work I decide needs doing prior to sale I do myself.
>
> If I were selling the two Alcyons, the fabulous condition one
> would be very expensive, the good one quite cheap.
>
> I am not sure that you understand that you don't find 1920s
> bikes in the same condition as you would expect from a 70s or
> 80s Colnago.
>
> As you know from experience I place a heavy premium pricewise on
> condition.
> I can't give you exact figures off-hand, I just haven't though
t
> about it, and haven't sold any 20s race bikes for a long time.
>
> Best regards
>
> Alex
>
>
> --- En date de : Ven 18.7.08, gholl@optonline.net
> a écrit :
>
> > De: gholl@optonline.net
> > Objet: Bike and Repair Costs of Damaged Bikes
> > À: alexpianos@yahoo.fr
> > Date: Vendredi 18 Juillet 2008, 14h48
> > Hi Alex:
> > Since I see others have decided to continue this
> > interesting dialogue, and you as a dealer, are illustrating
> > your points with bikes in your stock ( I find this very
> > informative), inevitable questions must be asked.
> > What is the price of this rusted Alcyon? Since you have,
> > quite rightly, developed a plan for repair of the extensive
> > damage present, how much would these repairs cost a
> > potential client?
> > You might compare these sales and repair costs with a
> > similar less damaged bike.
> > Regards,
> > George
> > George Hollenberg MD
> > CT, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alex m
> > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:10 am
> > Subject: [CR]Gloria Garibaldini/ another
> > Alcyon/conservation
> > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > > Beautiful bike, Kevin...
> > >
> > > I would go along with Jan here, full dismantle, soft
> > wire wool,
> > > and wax. Th
> > > e more corroded parts (headset, pedals) will take a
> > lot of
> > > rubbing... It ca
> > > n be done a lot quicker with a rotating soft wire
> > brush, but if
> > > you're not
> > > familar with this technique, you can do a lot of
> > damage this
> > > way....
> > >
> > > Conservation work on a bike can actually take a lot
> > longer than
> > > restoration... (I know of a high wheeler that was
> > repainted at
> > > some point red blue and
> > > white like the French flag, it was probably ridden on
> > Bastille
> > > day or some
> > > thing in a parade. Under the red blue and white the
> > original
> > > black with gol
> > > d lining is still mostly there. Cutting/chipping back
> > the modern
> > > paint inch
> > > by inch with a very sharp cutter knife will reveal the
> > original
> > > finish, bu
> > > t what a job....)
> > >
> > > The alloy parts shouldn't be wire brushed of
> > course. On a
> > > polishing mop the
> > > y will come up to a bright shine that will look
> > slightly out of
> > > keeping wit
> > > h the rest of bike, but the shine dulls down fairly
> > rapidly on
> > > alloy. There
> > > again if time is of no object you can reach an
> > intermediary
> > > state by hand
> > > with a cloth and alloy polish paste.
> > >
> > > Here is another Alcyon racer :
> > >
> > > http://www.reneherse.com/
> > >
> > > The condition is very different to the other one, and
> > here I
> > > think the bike
> > > should be done up for occasional riding. Fully
> > dismantled oiled
> > > cleaned wa
> > > xed. Overpainting removed. But I personally
> > wouldn't touch in
> > > the paint, al
> > > though there is quite a bit missing.
> > >
> > > The rims are non-original, but we have the original
> > wood rims,
> > > not rideable
> > > . So the original rims would be fitted, the alloy rims
> > on the
> > > bike at the m
> > > oment (fitted by the original owner) used to build up
> > a second
> > > pair of whee
> > > ls with some early suitable hubs. One pair of wheels
> > for show
> > > the other for
> > > riding.
> > >
> > > One important point hasn't been mentionned I think
> > : no
> > > restoration or clea
> > > ning/polishing should be envisaged without first
> > taking a load
> > > of photos of
> > > the bike (Ray Dobbins site gives great advice on how
> > to set up
> > > a cheap pho
> > > to studio).
> > >
> > > It's all part of the history of the bike, and
> > future owners can
> > > then see ex
> > > actly what has been done. This is basic procedure in
> > any other
> > > field of res
> > > toration.
> > >
> > > I personally would never buy a recently restored bike
> > without
> > > seeing photos
> > > of the bike before the work was done. You just
> > don't know what
> > > is under ne
> > > w paint, what parts are non-original, etc.
> > >
> > > Alexander March
> > > Bordeaux
> > > France
> > >
> >
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