Dave, That is a great story and I wish I could have been there. Unfortunately, Jan's query remains, substantively, unanswered. Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A
On 8/23/08, dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Jan,
>
> My family and I once again had the opportunity to visit Italy this summer.
> This time, while staying in Milan I was able to visit Alberto Masi at the V
> igorelli. I have wanted to make this journey for over 30 years. What made t
> his visit extraordinary for me was the fact that my Italian friend was arra
> nging a personal meeting with Alberto. Milan and all of Italy was in the mi
> dst of a heat wave, it was hot and smoggy and I was jetlagged. I left my wi
> fe and my 12 and 14 year old exhausted boys in our air conditioned hote
> l and caught a cab to the Vigorelli.
> Upon arriving at the Vigorelli, I was greeted by my friend Mimmo and wa sho
> wn around the shop. Alberto was assemblying a contemporary OT Masi. Alberto
> was very friendly and accomodating and brought out various Masi frames and
> complete bikes from years past. With my friend acting as an interpretuer,
> I asked about the relationship between Cino Cinelli and Faliero Masi. I was
> told that there was mutual respect and admiration between the two. At that
> point Alberto rushed to a back room and brought out a prototype seat clust
> er lug that his father had developed. The cluster is virtually indenical to
> the Cinelli seat cluster. I was told that it was developed before Cinellis
> , and Alberto gave the cluster to Cinelli..... and as they say the rest is
> history.
> So, there is some cross pollenisation that takes place and no good idea goe
> s uncopied.
>
> Regards,
> David Martinez
> Fremont Ca
> USA
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Is the real or imposter?
> To: "Robert D. Dayton,Jr." <rdayton@carolina.rr.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bik
> elist.org
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 11:20 AM
>
> At 9:32 AM -0400 8/23/08, Robert D. Dayton,Jr. wrote:
>
> >Others have assured me privately it is.
> >So if I offended Ken I apologize.
> >I did not mean to question his integrity.
> >The bike and build are truly unique.
> >
> >Rob Dayton
> >Charlotte,NC
> >USA
> >
>
> To those who privately assured Rob that the De Rosa is genuine:
>
> Since others might want to learn more about 1950s De Rosas, please
> lay out the reasoning for all of us. In fact, some of us might even
> want to bid on the bike, so it is in everybody's (including KD's)
> interest to discuss this bike onlist.
>
> I do not think there is anything wrong with Rob wondering about a
> bike as unusual as this... no matter who is the seller. The bike
> certainly has a number of features that resemble a 1960s Cinelli.
> (Hold your flames, I am not saying that it is a 1960s Cinelli!)
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> 140 Lakeside Ave #C
> Seattle WA 98122
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