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I took the time to day to look at some Cyclings from? 1950-1954 90% of the chaps racing in time trials riding single fixed, had the single brake lever ON THE LEFT SIDE!!!!?(as I used to have).?using the LEFT hand to brake!!!? NOW if they had two brakes it looked like the Front brake lever was THEN o n the RIGHT! go figure! ALSO almost ALL the adds for bikes for sale from ma nufactures show the front brake lever on the RIGHT!? Hilary sometime ago, w hen this came up before, said the the Brit Govmt? had mandated that the fro nt brake be controlled from the lever?for the RIGHT hand. I have found that with two brake levers the cables run better if crossed over with GB brakes , ie. the right lever to the front and the left lever to the rear. the KOF Mercian I have for sale has the same set up BUT because of the Campag calip hers the LEFT brake lever controlls the front brake.? Thanks everyone for a ll the response to my bikes for sale. (Obama SEND OUT THOSE CHECKS, FAST)?? ? Cheers, John Crump OldgoingbacktosleepBrit. Parker,.Co USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Hetchins curly for sale (crumpy6204@aol.com) 2. Golden Age of Handmade Bicycles is SOLD!! More "Paper" coming soon. (David Patrick) 3. Re: Brake Levers (Kai Hilbertz) 4. Re: Brakes (Stuart Tallack) 5. Strange ugly Masi... (nicbordeaux) 6. Please help me finding Campy Display Wall (Max Herrmann) 7. Re: Bicycle Quarterly's Braking issue, 'Modern Racing Brakes' (Nor Meyer) 8. 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos (Wyndham Pulman-Jones) 9. Re: 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos (ehbusch) 10. Re: 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos (Simon P-J) 11. Re: Strange Ugly Masi (scott davis)

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:01:36 -0500 From: <crumpy6204@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Hetchins curly for sale To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CB47ADF0933BF0-E84-6A@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

1954 Hetch MagOpus curly stays?221/2" CtC $2995.00 plus shipping John Crump . parker Co USA

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:03:34 -0800 From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] Golden Age of Handmade Bicycles is SOLD!! More "Paper" coming soon. To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <716173.72171.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/pla in; charset="iso-8859-1"

Both books sold. Thankyou for all CR members for their interest.? Some mo re "paper" related bicycling items coming up, hopefully between today and T
uesday.
?
Dave Patrick
Chelsea, Michigan USA
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From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Two books for sale to CR list - NEW copies To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 11:29 AM

I have duplicates of two bicycle titles that are for sale: ? "The Golden Age of Handmade Bicycles" by Jan Heine.? Hardcover, New, 2005 .? $60 list plus shipping from Jan.? MY PRICE: $35 including postage in U.S. ? "The Six Day Bicycle Races - America's Jazz-Age Sport" by Peter Nye.?Hard cover, New, 2006.? $39.95 list, Amazon price: $30.36 plus shipping. MY PR ICE: $20 including postage in U.S. ? I'll be shipping these via USPS Media Mail which can take approx 2 weeks. I prefer Paypal and can ship immediately.? Thanks. ? ? Dave Patrick Chelsea, Michigan USA

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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:04:07 +0100 From: Kai Hilbertz <khilbertz@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Brake Levers To: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>, CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <90BCE521-E5B6-4555-8FEE-E218206C1A70@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=ye s

Jan. 18, 09

Hello Ed + List,

you're absolutely right, I wrote it wrong. Lance sometimes used a down tube shifter on the left, not a bar-end shifter, sorry. The similarity I meant was that he had a Dura-Ace STI brake+shift combo on the right and a non-shifting Shimano R600 aero brake lever on the left.

On hybrid set-ups, I currently like to use a Camp Record 10x mated to a Shimano 9x derailleur on the right and either a DiaCompe 287-V or Magura on the left.

Greets

Kai Hilbertz Mu nich, Germany

On 18.01.2009, at 18:09, ehbusch wrote:
> Only problem I see here is that I never saw Lance using a front bar
> end shifter. All the pics and personal observations I've seen have
> Lance using a front down tube shifter, with a standard left brake
> lever...A down tube shifter would I believe have too many cables for
> his ride...
>
> Ed Busch
> Vonore Tennesse USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai Hilbertz" <khilbertz@googlemail.c om
> >
> To: "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:57 AM
> Subject: [CR] Brake Levers
>
>
>> Jan. 18, 09
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I can confirm what Michael Schmid + Tobit Linke said, brake levers
>> in Germany are almost always mounted in the Continental + US style,
>> i.e. left to front. As a friend of mine who is a professional
>> mechanic confirmed, almost all exceptions he deals with are either
>> British bikes or bikes belonging to cyclo-crossers who also ride
>> motorcycles. And there are some cheap bikes and roller brake bikes
>> with right to front, as mentioned.
>>
>> One point hasn't been raised yet. All off-topic modern brake+shift
>> systems are set up to shift the rear derailleur with the right.
>> Why could this play a role with how you set up your brake levers?
>> If you'll bear with me, it can play a role for KOF or classic
>> bikes with mixed braking systems.
>>
>> On a racing bike, I'll typically have side-pull brakes front and
>> rear. My tandems and heavy touring bikes have cantilever bosses
>> front and rear. With bikes in between these extremes, city bikes,
>> commuters and light tourers, I personally often prefer a hybrid
>> system with a side- pull in the rear and v-brakes in the front.
>> This gives me a combination of braking strength in the front and
>> modulation in the rear. Probably not most folks' cup of tea, but
>> it works for me. (You can also get strength and modulation with
>> Magura HS 66's + 77's, but these are no longer ma de, rare, and off
>> topic).
>>
>> In the 70's and 80's, I never much liked down tube shifters and
>> preferred bar-end shifters. I still like them today, but often
>> prefer the comfort of a brake+shift system for the rear. A hybrid
>> system impinges on brake levers as follows. My on-topic 70's Bruce
>> Gordon has a rear side-pull brake and will receive a new KOF fork
>> with cantilever bosses. The right brake (and shift) lever goes to
>> the rear, where it perfectly matches the Campagnolo side-pull
>> brake. The left brake lever, which has no shifting function, goes
>> to the front and perfectly matches the v-brake without any travel-
>> agents etc. The front derailleur is shifted by a bar-end lever on
>> the left. BTW, different motives can lead to similar results; on
>> mountain stages some racers such as Lance used a similar brake
>> lever setup (without front cantis) with a bar-end shifter on the
>> left to reduce weight.
>>
>> In the end, I have to agree with the Jan Heine that neither left
>> to front nor right to front is superior. It's just a matter of
>> personal preference, use whatever floats your boat.
>>
>> Greets
>>
>> Kai Hilbertz
>> Munich, Germany
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:09:03 +0000 From: Stuart Tallack <stuarttallack@mac.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Brakes To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <68845988058844634235619332356392308015-Webmail@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

I hesitate to put in my two penn'orth to this discussion because I am inhib ited by the level of competence and expertise shown by all of you. Nevertheless, I am fairly confident that in Britain, right hand lever for front brake goes bac k to pre-WW1 days. There was a fashion for clean bars in the early years of the twentieth century and, because of that, the lever and rod setup is difficul t to change. Survivors usually have two brakes with the front operated by the ri ght hand. More sporting machines ,with a fixed wheel, had one brake on the fron t often operated by a short pull up lever, then known as a dwarf lever. That was fixed so that the lever pointed to the right. Early motorcycles with stirru p brakes followed the convention. The standardisation is rather odd in an era when car controls could not have been more varied.

Stuart Tallack in West Sussex

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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:10:11 +0000 From: nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr> Subject: [CR] Strange ugly Masi... To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <913390.48952.qm@web28001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dale, that Masi looks just like any other to me. Is it the color scheme whi ch is the problem ? Or just the way the master used a Black and Decker saw

with a blunt blade to make the BB cut ? Nick March, Agen 47000, Lot et Garonne, France=0A=0A=0A

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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:14:15 +0100 From: Max Herrmann <MySoulGentlyWeeps@web.de> Subject: [CR] Please help me finding Campy Display Wall To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <476473029@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"

Dear Listmembers, I don't know when it come out (so I am sorry if it is dated behind the CR- Timeline, please tell me if it is, and I will cancel the search), but I am searching

one of these plastic Campagnolo display walls (I think they were blue). They were for the single, spare sprockets and keep them in a good light fo r the customer. A friend of mine has one, and I also want to have one for my shop. Does anyone has one left and is willing to sell/trade it? By the way: Was there also different disp lay parts like these from Campag nolo? I could not find something about it on the internet... I am also searching used Campy OR parts (front hub and crank), please cont act me off-list. Thanks very much and best regards from Germany,

Max Herrmann Melsungerstr. 9 14089 Berlin GERMANY

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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:28:50 -0600 From: Nor Meyer <norbikes@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Bicycle Quarterly's Braking issue, 'Modern Racing Brakes' To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <430e89320901181028r61a68ab6nac81a32f42a8888f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

"And if one wants to be fair, they were a step backward only in the sense that they popularized the technically inferior Sidepull design."

Well, if we are so intent on championing bicycle technology, praps we shoul d start talking about aluminum, titanium and carbon fiber frames. Never mind that thousands upon thousands upon thousands of miles were raced on bicycle s mounted with the "inferior" Campy sidepull brakes over the years. Is there some kind of snob factor at work here...? Oh ye unbeknighted, unwashed masses astride your over-rated Italian bikes w their Campy gruppos----get with the program!

Nor Meyer in Mt. Vernon, IA USA (building up his Wojcik road bike with----guess what? Sidepull brakes!)

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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:19:42 +0000 From: Wyndham Pulman-Jones <simonpj@mac.com> Subject: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <31212219818691683363034118738779362860-Webmail@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Recently acquired 1979 Bruce G ordon. Columbus SL frame with Cinelli lugs, in a gorgeous copper colour offset by subtle turquoise accents in the lugs and f ork blade stiffeners, and with painted-to-match pump.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/Bruce+Gordon+1979/

The frame has Shimano dropouts, which prompted me to build it up with Shima no Dura Ace EX. Unfortunately, I didn't get it built up soon enough to get out for a ride this weekend to see whether it rides as beautifully as it looks!

Wyndham Pulman-Jones Girton, Cambs., UK.

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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:41:18 -0500 From: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos To: Wyndham Pulman-Jones <simonpj@mac.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <001301c979a4$bbf394f0$6400a8c0@OFFICE1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Nice Ride- Especially like the original blue nylon straps on the peddals. I

still have a pair with them, but pink brake hoods? Waaasssuuupp wit that...

Ed Busch
Vonore Tennessee USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Wyndham Pulman-Jones
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos



> Recently acquired 1979 Bruce Gordon. Columbus SL frame with Cinelli lugs,
> in a gorgeous copper colour offset by subtle turquoise accents in the lug s
> and fork blade stiffeners, and with painted-to-match pump.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/Bruce+Gordon+1979/
>
> The frame has Shimano dropouts, which prompted me to build it up with
> Shimano Dura Ace EX. Unfortunately, I didn't get it built up soon enough
> to get out for a ride this weekend to see whether it rides as beautifully
> as it looks!
>
> Wyndham Pulman-Jones
> Girton, Cambs., UK.
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:50:50 +0000 From: Simon P-J <simonpj@mac.com> Subject: Re: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos To: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <C599389A.57A08%simonpj@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Those hoods came with the levers, and I haven't got round to getting hold o f original hoods to replace them. But they're growing on me!

Wyndham Pulman-Jones Girton, Cambs., UK.

On 18/1/09 19:41, "ehbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Nice Ride- Especially like the original blue nylon straps on the peddals. I
> still have a pair with them, but pink brake hoods? Waaasssuuupp wit that. ..
>
> Ed Busch
> Vonore Tennessee USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wyndham Pulman-Jones" <simonpj@mac.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:19 PM
> Subject: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos
>
>
>> Recently acquired 1979 Bruce Gordon. Columbus SL frame with Cinelli lugs ,
>> in a gorgeous copper colour offset by subtle turquoise accents in the lu gs
>> and fork blade stiffeners, and with painted-to-match pump.
>>
>> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/Bruce+Gordon+1979/
>>
>> The frame has Shimano dropouts, which prompted me to build it up with
>> Shimano Dura Ace EX. Unfortunately, I didn't get it built up soon enough
>> to get out for a ride this weekend to see whether it rides as beautifull y
>> as it looks!
>>
>> Wyndham Pulman-Jones
>> Girton, Cambs., UK.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>

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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:52:09 -0800 From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Strange Ugly Masi To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <652122.21910.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hmm, I always thought the M was cast into those Bottom Bracket Shells, sans

black or decker. But the color is hideous. Scott Davis in Saint Anthony, Minnesota USA

Dale, that Masi looks just like any other to me. Is it the color scheme whi ch is the problem ? Or just the way the master used a Black and Decker saw

with a blunt blade to make the BB cut ? Nick March, Agen 47000, Lot et Garonne, France=0A=0A=0A http://ebay.com/<blah>

Maybe it's just me, but I think this Masi is butte ugly! Some aspects are OK, but in balance, Phew! Anyone know how this thing came to exist so unlike it's stablemates?? Maybe those sick of hearing about Masi can join in and bash this Pepto Bismol (http://www.pepto-bismol.com/)? frame set!

Dale Brown cycles de ORO Bike Shop

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