For whitworth chainring bolts you could try Stig Fasteners in the UK: sales@a2stainless.com
Paul Croft Cockermouth UK
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Today's Topics:
1. WTB: chainring bolts for Williams and Chater Lea cranksets (W PAUL PATZKOWSKY) 2. Re: Strange ugly Masi... (KvnMuadib@aol.com) 3. Campy Brake Pad Replacement Tips Sought (devotion finesse) 4. For Sale:More Books/Paper - Herse, On the Wheel, etc (David Patrick) 5. 1939 Schwinn Paramount #A685 sells for $4000 on eBay! (P J Rutledge) 6. ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. (jeffrey piwonka) 7. Ugly Masi (jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com) 8. Re: Ugly Masi (Phil Brown) 9. Re: ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. (Phil Brown) 10. ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. (Angel Garcia) 11. flat ramps (Henry Graber) 12. Re: 1939 Schwinn Paramount #A685 sells for $4000 on eBay! (globallyoff@s2ki.com) 13. Pic of the Day - Preparing for the 1934 Season (Aldo Ross) 14. For Sale:More Books/Paper - HERSE SOLD, ON THE WHEEL SOLD (David Patrick) 15. 70's colnago for sale (Isaac Schell)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:11:46 +0000 From: W PAUL PATZKOWSKY <oldtrikerider@q.com> Subject: [CR] WTB: chainring bolts for Williams and Chater Lea cranksets To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU123-W30FEFDADDC9A4E7D7CB4ABAAD20@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have a Chater Lea single ring crankset that is missing one of the bolt s that fastens the chainring to the crank arm and a Williams C1000 (?) miss ing two bolts. If anyone has some of these little bolts to sell I would be most appreciative. Even a good lead as to where I could go outside the li st would be helpful. These are probably Whitworth so I can't buy them here in the US. Thanks in advance for your help.
Paul Patzkowsky Longmont, Colorado
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:19:08 -0500 From: <KvnMuadib@aol.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Strange ugly Masi... To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <d6b.41bf44a1.36a4e8bc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
In a message dated 1/18/2009 12:36:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, oroboyz@aol.com writes:
i like the color but i also drank grape juice and milk as a child ,i believe it was called a purple cow. seriously though i find it appealing not enough of a masiphile to render a substantial analysis.maybe the cinelli like dots and hearts were a special request a valentine perhaps. there are more things under heaven and earth... i do know that someone likes it 868 dollars worth as of now,i quit watching after 400 and the reserve wasn't met. got a bargain on my merckx frame and my derosa but haven,t seen to many bargin masi's. just one 3v but i think i passed on a crash issue. kevin ruberg howell nj
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:39:04 -0500 From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Campy Brake Pad Replacement Tips Sought To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <COL113-W23C36F8C1A3BD079800080F5D20@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Gang,I have most certainly seen this topic previously covered on The List
, but my search into the archives has been fruitless. My apologies for c
overing this road yet again, but I could use some helpful advice from y'a
ll before I go and mess somethin' up...I have a set of 4 salmon Scott Matha
user brake pads that I would like to install on a set of Campagnolo Nuovo R
ecord brakes. While the Scott pads are already in shoes and ready for inst
all, I would like to install the pads in the original Campagnolo shoes (c
hrome with wheel guides).The problem is, the Scott shoes are "closed" on
all four sides. Does one simply use a small screwdriver to pry apart the a
lloy shoes/housing and remove the pads from the shoes? It seems that it wi
ll be difficult to avoid damage to the pads. Should I pry open more than o
ne edge of the shoe? Or just one short edge? And then slide them from the
shoes as one might do to remove the original Campy blocks from the shoes?A
ny pointers are appreciated.Thank You in advance.Matthew BowneBrooklyn, N
ew York
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:41:38 -0800 From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] For Sale:More Books/Paper - Herse, On the Wheel, etc To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <538691.59778.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have for sale the following book/magazine items at excellent prices. ? New Cycling's special "Rene Herse" edition in NEW condition.? Text in Jap anese but the pics are not to be missed, as they show details of specific H erse bicycles and components. ?Currently out of print but New Cycling is doing a very limited reprint at $115 per copy?available thru Jitensha Stu dio.??MY PRICE:? $80 including shipping. A great deal for someone. ? On The Wheel: the Magazine for the Classic Cyclist.? First 12 issues - NE W.? Eight of these first 12 issues are no longer available as back issues , so these are getting rare.? Published by Gabe Konrad (sp?) in Spring La ke, Michigan back in the 1990s, and considered by many?to be a?precurso r for Vintage Bicycle Quarterly.??Articles include one by Richard Sachs on vintage for crowns w/lots of pics/illustrations.? MY PRICE: $25 including shipping. ? Vintage Bicycle Quarterly Vol 4, #1 thru #4.? Complete Vol 4 in NEW condi tion.? I never read these,?so?only lightly sniffed by an big?Old En glish Sheepdog named Wynslow. Absolutely no?drool and?teeth marks.? ?Jan Heine's price $35.??MY PRICE: $20?including shipping. ? ? I prefer Paypal.? Please let me know if you are interested and thanks for your consideration. ? ? Dave Patrick Chelsea, Michigan USA
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:46:00 -0500 From: P J Rutledge <prutledge1@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] 1939 Schwinn Paramount #A685 sells for $4000 on eBay! To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <DDFC6A17DF404E77A247105EDE967B4C@TOSHIBA2006> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
See eBay item # 150320188264--1939 Schwinn Paramount, serial #A685. It was listed on eBay about a week ago, not as an auction, but as a "Buy-it-now" item. It ended today with "Buy-it-now" for $4000! Nice orange bike, although missing the nicer Paramount "telephone dial" hubs. It has a little more chrome than most '38/39 Paramounts--head tube and all lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on previous pictures that I have of this bike, hubs appear to small flange Schwinn Superior variety. This sale especially gets my interest because I used eBay's "Buy-it-now" to purchase an all-chrome '38 Paramount late this past November.
Pete Rutledge Woodbridge, VA, USA
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:55:32 -0800 From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <272471.99181.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Can anyone tell me the ride characteristics of most randonneuse bikes. I'm thinking about getting something that gives me the ability to carry a light load, probably on the front, as well as ability to mount fenders. Don't really want to run a large tire, maybe a 28c. I'm kinda trying to get away from carrying a bag on my back in the 100 degree summer heat.
My concern lies with spending big money on a new randonneuse frame and then finding out that I don't really like the ride. All my bikes have steep angles, short rake and short wheelbases and I've found this to the handling I prefer. I'd be going to the exact opposite with a Randonneuse.
I'm thinking the best idea is to get something used so that I can get back most of my investment if I decide they aren't for me. Anyone have something like this in around a 59-60cm frame? I'd like to be able to fit fenders as well as a rack on the front, maybe mid mount.
Thanks, Jeff Piwonka Austin, Texas, USA
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:19:55 -0500 From: <jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com> Subject: [CR] Ugly Masi To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <7h9gbp$bckqpo@rrcs-agw-01b.hrndva.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I know Cycle Art does some very nice work. I've seen some beautiful restorations/paint jobs from their shop.
They seem pretty insistant on putting their "tatoo" on their re-paints. No disrespect intended but.... not sure they should have signed this one.
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:46:55 -0800 From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Ugly Masi To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <048eff263f9342eff2b7b256ad751170@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed
On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:19 PM, <jeff-arg@bizwi.rr.com> wrote:
> They seem pretty insistant on putting their "tatoo" on their
> re-paints. No disrespect intended but.... not sure they should have
> signed this one.
>
> Jeff Pyzyk
>
Why? They didn't pick the color. Looks like a nice paint job.
Phil Brown
Several Cyclart paint jobs and I always picked the color in Berkeley,
Calif.
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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:52:21 -0800 From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR] ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <7a716d2d386d88d0166012827d4d2eca@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed
On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:55 PM, jeffrey piwonka wrote:
> I'm thinking the best idea is to get something used so that I can get
> back most of my investment if I decide they aren't for me.
> Anyone have something like this in around a 59-60cm frame?
> I'd like to be able to fit fenders as well as a rack on the front,
> maybe mid mount.
>
>
If you like 'em steep and short a randoneuse will seem strange for
about 50 feet, then you'll relax and enjoy the ride without the
constant attention a steep bike requires. Bigger tires help as well.
If you're not sure try try to find a Japanese bike from the 80s. Many
of them, esp. Bridgestones and Miyatas are similar to randoneuse bikes,
Phil Brown
Like 'em myself in Berkeley, Calif.
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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0500 From: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] ride characteristics of randonneuse bikes. To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <70e14d4c0901181412q772a92fcr4972693df0ea194d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Maybe a "sportif" would be more to your liking? I like how Curt Goodrich
described the differences in his road, randonneuse and sportif bikes at his
website:
http://www.curtgoodrich.com/
Angel Garcia Long Valley NJ
Can anyone tell me the ride characteristics of most randonneuse bikes. I'm thinking about getting something that gives me the ability to carry a light load, probably on the front, as well as ability to mount fenders. Don't really want to run a large tire, maybe a 28c. I'm kinda trying to get away from carrying a bag on my back in the 100 degree summer heat.
My concern lies with spending big money on a new randonneuse frame and then finding out that I don't really like the ride. All my bikes have steep angles, short rake and short wheelbases and I've found this to the handling I prefer. I'd be going to the exact opposite with a Randonneuse.
I'm thinking the best idea is to get something used so that I can get back most of my investment if I decide they aren't for me. Anyone have something like this in around a 59-60cm frame? I'd like to be able to fit fenders as well as a rack on the front, maybe mid mount.
Thanks, Jeff Piwonka Austin, Texas, USA
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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:44:24 +0000 From: Henry Graber <hgraber@narrativerooms.com> Subject: [CR] flat ramps To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <A2E67E75-2320-496A-A1B3-64AB694B1C1D@narrativerooms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Which of the classic bars had the squarest top - a very flat ramp to the shifters. The Cinelli 66 / Campione del Mondo, the 3ttt Competizione with the Merckx bend, the Philippe Professionel (Grand Bois is currently making a clone of the Professionel) or some other model?
I think the Cinelli 65 and the Gimondi bend 3ttt are prettier but I'm much more comfortable with little or no drop to the hoods.
Henry Graber
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Message: 12 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:58:08 -0600 From: <globallyoff@s2ki.com> Subject: Re: [CR] 1939 Schwinn Paramount #A685 sells for $4000 on eBay! To: P J Rutledge <prutledge1@comcast.net> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: 2318.76.107.21.152.1232323088.squirrel@www.s2ki.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
What a strange coincidence. I saw a 1939 Schwinn Paramount track bike yesterday that was all original except someone had used the hubs to make clincher wheels. I assume it orig. had wood tubular rims. It includes a copy of the orig bill of sale ($72) and a copy of the insurance policy the owner took out on it. I asked..........$3000. I didn't get the ser# but it was sold in 1940. The owner is not actively trying to sell it.
Keith Kessel Shreveport, La. USA
On Sun, January 18, 2009 2:46 pm, P J Rutledge wrote:
> See eBay item # 150320188264--1939 Schwinn Paramount, serial #A685. It
> was listed on eBay about a week ago, not as an auction, but as a
> "Buy-it-now" item. It ended today with "Buy-it-now" for $4000! Nice
> orange bike, although missing the nicer Paramount "telephone dial" hubs.
It
> has a little more chrome than most '38/39 Paramounts--head tube and all
> lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on previous pictures that I have
> of this bike, hubs appear to small flange Schwinn Superior variety. This
> sale especially gets my interest because I used eBay's "Buy-it-now" to
> purchase an all-chrome '38 Paramount late this past November.
>
>
> Pete Rutledge
> Woodbridge, VA, USA
>
>
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:02:52 -0500 From: Aldo Ross <aldoross4@siscom.net> Subject: [CR] Pic of the Day - Preparing for the 1934 Season To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BE5AEC958AB44F1E9A9FA6C55E69F5FE@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Pic of the Day 18 January 2009
Preparing for the 1934 Racing Season.
The original caption reads "The workshop for preparation and development of racing equipment in large bicycle company." Here a technician works on one of the "Olympique" (France) team bikes for the 1934 season. Two frames hang from the ceiling (upper left) - I've included an enlargement of the downtube logo in the insert (upper right). Note the full mud guards and lack of rear brake, although there appears to be a lever clamp beneath the tape on the left side of the handlebars... perhaps this handsome bike is a fixed gear for winter training, rear brake removed for whatever reason? Note also lots of new and used tires hanging from hooks or horizontal board, lots of shiny new aluminum water bottles arranged on top of the cabinet, the pile of new rims in the lower right of the photo, and a copy of "Match l'Intran" on the drafting table (lower right).
The Olympique company fielded professional teams intermittently through
the 1920s, 1930s, 19402, and 1950s. Their greatest successes came from
Swiss rider Heiri Suter in the mid-1920s.
>From "Match l'Intran" No.444, 12 February 1935.
http://www.wooljersey.com/
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA
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Message: 14 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:10:18 -0800 From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] For Sale:More Books/Paper - HERSE SOLD, ON THE WHEEL SOLD To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <1251.98718.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The New Cycling Rene Herse book as sold and so has the collection of On the
Wheel magazines.?? Vol 4 of Vintage Cycling Quarterly remains for sale
.
From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: For Sale:More Books/Paper - Herse, On the Wheel, etc To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 3:41 PM
I have for sale the following book/magazine items at excellent prices. ? New Cycling's special "Rene Herse" edition in NEW condition.? Text in Jap anese but the pics are not to be missed, as they show details of specific H erse bicycles and components. ?Currently out of print but New Cycling is doing a very limited reprint at $115 per copy?available thru Jitensha Stu dio.??MY PRICE:? $80 including shipping. A great deal for someone. ? On The Wheel: the Magazine for the Classic Cyclist.? First 12 issues - NE W.? Eight of these first 12 issues are no longer available as back issues , so these are getting rare.? Published by Gabe Konrad (sp?) in Spring La ke, Michigan back in the 1990s, and considered by many?to be a?precurso r for Vintage Bicycle Quarterly.??Articles include one by Richard Sachs on vintage for crowns w/lots of pics/illustrations.? MY PRICE: $25 including shipping. ? Vintage Bicycle Quarterly Vol 4, #1 thru #4.? Complete Vol 4 in NEW condi tion.? I never read these,?so?only lightly sniffed by an big?Old En glish Sheepdog named Wynslow. Absolutely no?drool and?teeth marks.? ?Jan Heine's price $35.??MY PRICE: $20?including shipping. ? ? I prefer Paypal.? Please let me know if you are interested and thanks for your consideration. ? ? Dave Patrick Chelsea, Michigan USA
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Message: 15 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:19:08 -0800 From: Isaac Schell <ias23philly@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] 70's colnago for sale To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <356737.59122.qm@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am at my bike limit and need to make room for a Jim Redcay Tourer. Hate to let this one go but of all the bikes I own, this is the only one that is just a little small.
For sale is a Colnago Super, seat tube measures 51cm (center to center) and the top tube is 52cm (center to center). The frame has been dated somewhere between a 74-77. The gruppo is campy nuovo record, the cranks, and derailleur all date from 1981, for all I know the rest of the group may also. Components are all in excellent condition, very little marks on the cranks, and the derailleurs are super shiny. One break lever has a decent scratch on it, other then that everything is really clean. The frame is a repaint, not a great one, but not too terrible. Fortunately when it was repainted no one decided to add any braze-ons. Unfortunately there is a small dent to the inner area of the non drive side chain stay. This was caused by a previous owner (foolishly) screwing on a light to the stay. It is about the size of a lentil bean, but looks bigger because of previous owner trying to touch it up with a close, but incorect color. All of this is made very visible in the pictures, link is below
http://www.flickr.com/
Price is $1200 plus actual cost of shipping. I prefer fed ex air, but ground is also good. Any questions dont hesitate to ask. Thanks,
Isaac Schell Philadlephia PA USA
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