Re: [CR] Touring Shoes and Clipless


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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:49:04 -0800
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <passionateyouththing@yahoo.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Tom Harriman <transition202@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Touring Shoes and Clipless


Well, as to shoes, the most recently made classic style touring shoes I have are Lakes, maybe 5 years old. Lake still lists three touring shoes:

http://www.lakecycling.com/road-tour-c-1_5_13.html

Of these the MX90 is pretty classic-looking, although it has the panel in the sole one can remove to fit an SPD cleat. My Lakes from a few years ago did not have provision for SPD, but I find lots of SPD touring shoes work fine with toe clips and straps just by not removing the panel from the sole. Some of these are actually sold as MTB shoes, but are actually quite suitable as touring shoes, including a couple of Shimano models. Another recent classic touring shoe is the Diadora Voyager, may even still be available. So I really don't think there is a shortage of suitable shoes, if you don't mind that they could be used for SPD, although you may not do so.

As to the pedals, it does seem many traditional European quill pedals were made for rather narrow feet, and even my moderate size 8 1/2 feet find them narrow, especially when wearing torung shoes or sneakers that tend to be wider than racing shoes. The classic solution to this was to use track pedals on road bikes, as track pedals lack the quill on the outside. This was originally to prevent striking the pedal on the banking on the track, but was often adopted by road racers to give better pedal-to-ground clearance in turns, especially on tight criterium courses. But these are equally useful to tourists and in fact many of the traditional touring pedals, sometimes called rattrap, were similar to track pedals, except the touring pedals were symmetrical, i.e. the rear same as front and top same as bottom, which allowed riding either side of the pedal on a city bike with no toe clips. Both traditional track and traditional touring pedals are stiil made, with MKS models representing some of the best value. The MKS Sylvan track is a high quality clone of the Campy NR track pedal at an amazingly low price. They also make affordably priced symmetrical touring verison for riding with or without toeclips.

Yet another option is platform pedals of which the Lyotard Marcel Berthet was the most classic example. But MKS also makes a modern platform pedal, on the same design concept as the Berthet, although the appearance is much different, or one can use the barely-On-Topic to slightly-Off-Topic "aero" platform pedals from the 80's, usually with adjustable toe clips, from Shamano, Campy, MKS/Suntour, Maillard or Zeus.

Finally, some road pedals with quills are designed more with touring in mind and are thus significanly wider, so the quill is no longer a problem. The TA road pedal is the most notable and classic one. Some newer pedals appear to also be wider like the TA, but in addition, the quill on the outside seems to extend out but not upward, or at least not as sharpely upwardard. The new Velo Orange road pedal, made to their specs in Taiwan, seems to be an example of this.

So, as with the shoes, I don't think there is any shortage of suitable pedals for touring if you know where to look.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Tom Harriman wrote:


> From: Tom Harriman <transition202@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Touring Shoes and Clipless

\r?\n> To: passionateyouththing@yahoo.com, "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:51 PM

\r?\n> Hello Kirke.

\r?\n> Over the last few years I have been using SPD pedals in my

\r?\n> old bikes. It's

\r?\n> not period correct, but when you get then adjusted

\r?\n> correctly, they wor

\r?\n> k really well.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The other problem is that there aren't just a lack of

\r?\n> traditional shoes,

\r?\n> but also a lack of good quality touring pedals. With

\r?\n> manufactures making mo

\r?\n> re clipless systems, there are also fewer pedals to choose

\r?\n> from.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I see many examples of the traditional pedals around, but

\r?\n> they often have

\r?\n> the little peace that points up at the end of pedal. I

\r?\n> have wide feet,

\r?\n> so these won't work for me. Right now I'm using

\r?\n> some late 1980s MTB pedals

\r?\n> , which are working well. But I'm worried about what

\r?\n> I'll do when these

\r?\n> give out. I may lower my standards to the things that are

\r?\n> left on the mark

\r?\n> et, or commute to work clipless.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Any ideas out there.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Tom Harriman

\r?\n> San Francisco, Ca

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:54:59 -0800

\r?\n> > From: passionateyouththing@yahoo.com

\r?\n> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> > Subject: [CR] Touring Shoes and Clipless

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Hey list! (sorry if this went through twice, I dont

\r?\n> know if the email c

\r?\n> leared the first time!)

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that

\r?\n> still makes non-cliples

\r?\n> s cycling-specific shoes in the style of old Avocet touring

\r?\n> shoes? Things l

\r?\n> ike this show up on ebay occasionally, but they are rarely

\r?\n> in my size and

\r?\n> I dont really want to buy used shoes.

\r?\n> > If you have any tips please share!

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Also, I currently have clips and straps on all my

\r?\n> bikes and (believe it

\r?\n> or not) have never used a clipless system! Now, everyone

\r?\n> likes to tell m

\r?\n> e that going clipless is the best way to improve your

\r?\n> pedaling. I was wonde

\r?\n> ring if anyone has decided to use clipless pedals on their

\r?\n> otherwise "perio

\r?\n> d correct," on-topic bikes for the sake of improving

\r?\n> technique and effici

\r?\n> ency?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Kirke Campbell

\r?\n> > Houston, Tx USA