Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed Ideale


Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:44:39 -0800
From: David Benson <bensondoc@yahoo.com.au>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Ken Wehrenberg <wnwires@htc.net>, <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed Ideale


Brooks did not steal Ideale's design, they simply made their existing design in titanium as Ideale had done 20 years earlier.Did Merlin Metalworks copy Speedwell?David BensonAuckland, NZhttp://retroride.blogspot.com--- On Mon, 16/2/09, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote:From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed IdealeTo: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, "Ken Wehrenberg" <wnwires@htc.net>Received: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 4:02 PMThat's the beauty of this list.  Until this thread I didn't know a Ti railed leather Ideale ever existed, although I'd seen a Ti rail 2000 series plastic Ideale on eBay.  This gets my vote as the coolest saddle ever, and unless someone comes up with a Ti Brooks older than the Swift, this has to predate the Brooks Ti saddles by more than two decades.  And they had in 1977 or ealier the same design Brooks use now - that is a leather saddle on which one takes the established design for the steel frame and simply produces it in titanium.  This kind of puts the Brooks Ti saddles in a different light.  Rather than some great innovation, Brooks simply stole a 20+ year old Ideale design.  Of course I still like the Brooks Ti saddles, except I've managed to accumulate several of them without ever paying the recent absurb retail prices.  I guess you could say at least Brooks cared enough to only steal the very best.Regards,Jerry MoosBig Spring, Texas, USA--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ken Wehrenberg <wnwires@htc.net> wrote:> From: Ken Wehrenberg <wnwires@htc.net>> Subject: Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed Ideale> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 8:29 PM> Peter Kohler added:> > I have an Ideale 90 with titanium undercarriage on my> Gilles Berthoud. It> most certainly is well within the CR timeframe, Peugeot> lists it as an> option for the PY-10CP in their 1979 catalogue and I> suspect it probably was> introduced c. 1977.> > Peter and Jerry,> > I remember seeing ads in LeCycle in the early '80s for> Ti-railed models.  They predated those Columbia shuttle> models by quite a few years.  I could probably track down a> date and issue for you if I had a full-time CR stuff> secretary.> > "not enough hours..."> > Ken Wehrenberg, Hermann, MO