Howdy, all-
In answer to Jan's question about French production tandems, my c.1975 Gi tane tandem is is built from '531', using Bocama lugs and Campy dropouts. I t origianlly came with an Atom drum brake, and the usual MAFAC, Huret, and Ideale bits that you would expect. It's been dressed up quite a bit since I bought it (it was, literally, a basket case)- better Suntour brakes, Ti DuoPar, Simplex bar-cons, and some nice wheels built around a set of Maxi- Car hubs. It's definitely a 'sport' bike, though- don't think it would perf orm very well, loaded with camping gear!
Cheers, Larry Myers Portland, OR --- On Thu, 3/19/09, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org <classicrendezv ous-request@bikelist.org> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Fwd: FS: various saddles + Am Classic post (PBridge130@aol.com) 2. Re: Production tandems and wool darning Qs... (Jan Heine) 3. wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes (marcus.e.helman@gm.com) 4. Re: wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes (Guy Taylor) 5. WTB: Raleigh head badge (EPL) 6. Re: wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes (John Betmanis)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:37:45 -0400 From: <PBridge130@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Fwd: FS: various saddles + Am Classic post To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <c98.46e5f128.36f3dce9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
The tan Turbo and the concor sold instantly.
Thanks,
Peter Bridge san diego ca usa
FS: various saddles plus one post. The turbo mounted on the American Classic post has been sold, but the post is still available.
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The tan turbo -- good used condition, rare color, $30. I'll regret selling that one.
The white ones both have various scrapes, but are perfectly functional.
Good users. $10.
The orangey-reddish Concor is very good. $30. Very lightly used.
The group of black saddles that look similar are Selle Italias and Avocets . There's a good Selle Italia superleggero 15. That one would be perfect if
not for a mark from another part pressing against it.
Avocet Racing III $15 and Avocet Racing II $15. Mikey? That RIII would b e good for you. :-)
Not pictured - black Avocet Touring II. Good+ condition. $15
The Am Classic post cleans up nicely. Let's call it good to very good.
27.2 $15. Cheap?
$6 shipping; $3 for added items. Paypal or check.
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:41:57 -0800
From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] Production tandems and wool darning Qs...
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>1. I love that Peugeot tandem ad! Were any CR-era PRODUCTION tandems buil
t
>with 531? Or are they all more-or-less gaspipe (like my Moto Interclub)?
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Often, the quality of the ads is inversely related to the quality of the product, and Peugeot tandems appear to be a case in point. Production tandems with Reynolds 531?
If you count the Jack Taylors that were built for Santana (before it was Santana) - they were made from Reynolds 531. Or were all of those made to order?
I would not be surprised if some French maker offered production
tandems with 531 tubing. Delangle offered many high-end production
bikes before the war with Reynolds 531 HM tubing, as it was called
then - see the wonderful track machine in "The Competition Bicycle."
I don't recall whether their catalogue listed a tandem...
>2. I ran across a website, maybe as a result of a CR posting, offering woo
l
>jersey darning service. I sure can't find it now and I've come up
w/nothing
>in the archives. (Can anyone provide the syntax rules for bikelist
>searching?) Can someone help?
Doesn't Jan Johnson offer this service? She is associated with Woolistic - check out http://www.vintagevelos.com
Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:42:45 -0400 From: <marcus.e.helman@gm.com> Subject: [CR] wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <OF19896280.627D8107-ON8525757E.00602586-8525757E.00614C9D@gm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
I bought a pair of classic looking Lake shoes to use in spinning class over the winter. I put SPD cleats on, and they really worked well. Although I have always been a dedicated sneaker rider on the road, I am beginning to think about making the move to slotted cleats. I remain kind
of fearful of getting trapped in the clips, and of looking extra dorky when I am walking. Those factors combine to make me not want to spend very much for cleats. I am also toying with the idea of having a shoe repair shop glue on some pieces of rubber tread to create a slot. Yellow
Jersey has cleats, but they are $30, and that just seems like too much to
spend for a couple of pieces of plastic. The Lake shoes have a number of
threaded holes, so I imagine most bolt-on cleats would fit.
Do any of you use slotted cleats regularly? How are they for getting in and out?
Please do no advise me to go clipless. I am committed to toeclips and straps
Best regards, Marcus Helman Detroit, MI
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:21:37 -0700 From: Guy Taylor <guy.taylor@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR] wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <marcus.e.helman@gm.com> Message-ID: <13296.75413.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Slotted cleats are all I have ever used on my road bikes and will be on my
track bike when it is finished. Way back in the 80's when I first began rid ing with toe clips and cleats I tipped over twice. Since then I have had no issues, it's just something you get used to. I have a pair of the cleats from Yellow Jersey and I was not impressed with them, mainly due to their finish quality. I understand that has improved o f late. I think it is Yoshida that makes a similar item for track use that
will convert modern drilled shoes to a slotted cleat. I've seen those on eB ay and they look quite good.
Best regards, Guy Taylor Anaheim CA,? USA
--- On Thu, 3/19/09, marcus.e.helman@gm.com <marcus.e.helman@gm.com> wrote: From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com <marcus.e.helman@gm.com> Subject: [CR] wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:42 AM
I bought a pair of classic looking Lake shoes to use in spinning class over the winter. I put SPD cleats on, and they really worked well. Although I have always been a dedicated sneaker rider on the road, I am beginning to think about making the move to slotted cleats. I remain kind
of fearful of getting trapped in the clips, and of looking extra dorky when I am walking. Those factors combine to make me not want to spend very much for cleats. I am also toying with the idea of having a shoe repair shop glue on some pieces of rubber tread to create a slot. Yellow
Jersey has cleats, but they are $30, and that just seems like too much to
spend for a couple of pieces of plastic. The Lake shoes have a number of
threaded holes, so I imagine most bolt-on cleats would fit.
Do any of you use slotted cleats regularly? How are they for getting in and out?
Please do no advise me to go clipless. I am committed to toeclips and straps
Best regards, Marcus Helman Detroit, MI
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:41:29 -0700 From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca> Subject: [CR] WTB: Raleigh head badge To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <179854.4772.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
For a 70s>early 80s Pro or Team frame, painted brass, takes 3 rivets. NOS preferred but anything really nice is also great.
Emanuel Lowi Montreal, Quebec
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:49:28 -0400 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> Subject: Re: [CR] wtb: slotted cleats for Lake Shoes To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20090319144928.01819fc8@mailhost.oxford.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 01:42 PM 19/03/2009 -0400, marcus.e.helman@gm.com wrote:
>I bought a pair of classic looking Lake shoes to use in spinning class
>over the winter. I put SPD cleats on, and they really worked well.
>Although I have always been a dedicated sneaker rider on the road, I am
>beginning to think about making the move to slotted cleats. I remain kind
>of fearful of getting trapped in the clips, and of looking extra dorky
>when I am walking. Those factors combine to make me not want to spend
>very much for cleats. I am also toying with the idea of having a shoe
>repair shop glue on some pieces of rubber tread to create a slot. Yellow
>Jersey has cleats, but they are $30, and that just seems like too much to
>spend for a couple of pieces of plastic. The Lake shoes have a number of
>threaded holes, so I imagine most bolt-on cleats would fit.
>
>Do any of you use slotted cleats regularly? How are they for getting in
>and out?
>
>Please do no advise me to go clipless. I am committed to toeclips and
>straps
I guess this is a valid question in a classic/vintage context and you won't easily find answers anywhere unless you ask people who grew up with toeclips, straps and cleats. Today the local bike shop will tell you how to get disengaged from clipless pedals and it's not really an intuitive reflex reaction and they don't all work the same way.
Back when I started riding in the early 1950s, my first upgrade was toeclips only. Next I added straps and later cleats. They were called "shoe plates" then. "Cleats" appears to be an Americanism derived from stick-and-ball footwear. I think a couple of days ago when someone afrom Down Under asked about cleats, he may even have been thinking about the clipless system, I'm not sure.
Anyway, when first nailing these shoe plates to my shoes, I too was afraid of not being able able to get my feet out in an emergency. However, my fears were mostly unfounded. Even with the straps quite tight, adrenalin always came to the rescue and I was able to get a foot out in time. Now, the deeper plastic cleats that were common in the 1980s were a little more difficult to get out of with the straps quite tight, but unless you cinch them up to the point where they are uncomfortable and cut off circulation, it's not impossible.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada
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