Re: [CR] A bitter realization

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:04:32 -0700
From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com>
To: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] A bitter realization


Maybe it's considered a breach of etiquette but I'd personally like to see those people (and there have been many similar reports over the years here) outed and named so that the rest of us who are not flakes and will keep our word can continue to avoid Ebay and buy and sell here on-list without having to interact with the flakes. It's probably just a few who have been made unaccountable and spoiled it for everyone else because we are too "polite" to name names. Why are we protecting these people again? It seems stupid and counterproductive to the hobby.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham, Washington USA

2009/6/2 Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> As some of you may have noticed I've been selling some small items lately.
> I've been going through my stuff and there are things I bought for one
> reason or another that I'm not going to use. I'm not selling them to make a
> big killing but to put them back in circulation. I'm not only doing this
> with bicycles but some of my other interests (For example I shot with Leicas
> for many years and collected a lot of Leica ephemera. I'm selling it off.)
> I've been a member of this list almost from the beginning and I prefer to
> offer stuff to the list rather than put it up on ebay. We're a community and
> I feel members of the community should get first crack at it. As you've seen
> it's not giant stuff but interesting items that one or another of us might
> need.
> I've changed my mind due to flake-ism on the list. Several items have been
> claimed by list members and then said members haven't paid for them. We
> aren't talking big money. You've seen the prices. And paying is easy:
> Paypal, cash in an envelope, money order, anything but personal checks
> because the Bank Of America holds out of state checks literally for weeks.
> And I don't hold on for weeks, I send stuff out the next day at the latest.
> It really disappoints me for this to happen in a community of like-minded
> people. But to stop the hassle and bad feeling in my mind from now on it's
> just going on to ebay and people can look there. No hassles there: I put it
> up, people bid, someone wins, transfers the money to Paypal and off the
> stuff goes. Simple.
> Phil Brown
> Saddened in Oakland, Calif.