[CR] Honor amongst CR list members!

(Example: Humor)

To: <rsb000@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:00:11 -0400
In-Reply-To: <90E8D359C62F4036806BCA46C30F096E@MEDIFACTOR7>
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
Subject: [CR] Honor amongst CR list members!


Good or bad economy, job or no job, honorable behavior is an absolute requirement on this list.? There is simply no excuse for saying you will do a transaction and then slinking away. If you do not have available funds, do not speak for the item!?

I think it's time to out transgressors!?


>From this moment forward, anyone who is stiffed or shorted or somehow dealt with unfairly, please let me know and I will out them myself. Please pass it privately through me first though!

On the other hand, please sellers, no matter how inexpensive you think your item is or what a great service you feel you are proving, you must be prepared at the time of the initial offer, to have photos, dimensions, actual prices, and specifics read! ?

First instance you will be publicly outed to all list members. If it happens again, you will be banned from the group....

Dale

Dale Brown

Classicrendezvous.com

Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: R.S. Broderick <rsb000@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:39 pm Subject: Re: [CR] A bitter realization

..and I too have come to the same, sad realization only within the last year or so (...my tenure on the List being much shorter than your own).

In my experience, the price of the item itself has had little or nothing to do with the casual discourtesy and/or outright inconsideration of those who would otherwise lay claim to something offered in good faith on the CR List. The ONLY measure of comfort I have found is in maintaining a strict "first come / first served" list of standby parties expressing interest to whom the part(s) in question are offered in succession whenever I do encounter a virtual deadbeat.

I am only further disheartened to learn that I am not the only one who has experienced this type of grossly inappropriate behavior as of late.

Sad regards,

Robert "shun the bloody bums" Broderick ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota Sioux Falls, USA

P.S. For whatever it may be worth, as a long time seller of various items on eBay (...I maintain just over a dozen individual accounts) I can tell you that I have also recently encountered many more instances of difficulties and/or delays in collecting payment than I did only but a year ago. I attribute this phenomenon to a restraint of activity among those who tend toward fiscal responsibility given our apparent new economic paradigm thereby leaving a disproportionate number of persons of dubious financial competence within the bidding pool.

P.P.S. I had originally intended to send this message along to Phil strictly "OFF LIST". However, I ultimately decided instead to make this post public in the ever so small and quite possibly naive hope that bringing this abhorrent behavior to the full attention of the List might possibly shame those who would act so into either changing their ways, or at the very least perhaps, discouraging them from replying to any such offer in the first place.

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Phil Brown Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:58 PM To: Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR] A bitter realization

As some of you may have noticed I've been selling some small items lately. I've been going through my stuff and there are things I bought for one reason or another that I'm not going to use. I'm not selling them to make a big killing but to put them back in circulation. I'm not only doing this with bicycles but some of my other interests (For example I shot with Leicas for many years and collected a lot of Leica ephemera. I'm selling it off.) I've been a member of this list almost from the beginning and I prefer to offer stuff to the list rather than put it up on ebay. We're a community and I feel members of the community should get first crack at it. As you've seen it's not giant stuff but interesting items that one or another of us might need. I've changed my mind due to flake-ism on the list. Several items have been claimed by list members and then said members haven't paid for them. We aren't talking big money. You've seen the prices. And paying is easy: Paypal, cash in an envelope, money order, anything but personal checks because the Bank Of America holds out of state checks literally for weeks. And I don't hold on for weeks, I send stuff out the next day at the latest. It really disappoints me for this to happen in a community of like-minded people. But to stop the hassle and bad feeling in my mind from now on it's just going on to ebay and people can look there. No hassles there: I put it up, people bid, someone wins, transfers the money to Paypal and off the stuff goes. Simple. Phil Brown Saddened in Oakland, Calif.