Re: [CR] Mondia Super Frameset 60cm

(Example: Framebuilders:Doug Fattic)

From: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:37:37 -0700
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Cc: 'tim Parker' <tim.parker@att.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] Mondia Super Frameset 60cm


I do not know whether Jon was really fishing for an estimate as to the original date of manufacture relative to the Mondia he recently offered for sale, but now that the subject has arisen, I thought that I might offer what is merely intended as being constructive commentary....

My personal observation would be that attempting to date a Mondia based upon its serial number or general paint scheme alone is likely to beget inconsistent if not outright inaccurate results. While their serial numbering scheme does generally progress in an orderly sequential manner, one ought be aware that said numbers were interspersed with those of the Juvela brand as well as probably those of Paul Egli and Tour de Suisse branded bicycles (...the former being a known fact whereas the latter two would merely be reasoned speculation on my part). More importantly, there are distinct instances in which Mondia serial numbers are decidedly NOT sequential - post 1970 bicycles beginning with the numeral eight being the most obvious example (...and this is precisely the case with Jon's bike). Unfortunately, I cannot provide a concrete answer as to just why said anomalies occurred, but my GUESS (...and this is purely a guess - I have absolutely NO factual evidence to support my conjecture) is that they might have been sub-contract built framesets.

In any event, I firmly believe that there is a much more accurate means of determining a build date for one's own Mondia based upon a host of other less blatantly conspicuous details - and I have done my best to delineate that somewhat tedious process in the "Mondia Production Details Timeline" formerly hosted on WoolJersey but which may now be found in the Velo-Pages using this convenient link:

http://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=24331&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

And finally for whatever it may be worth, I believe that Jon's particular example dates from the year 1979 based upon careful consultation with the aforementioned "Mondia Production Details Timeline" as well as a quick comparison with the several hundred examples of Mondias I have cataloged on my computer over the years.

Robert "Mondia Maven" Broderick ...the "Chronically Cloudy Clime" of Oregon Portland, USA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of tim Parker Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:43 AM To: 'Otis'; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Mondia Super Frameset 60cm

Hello Jon,

You might be interested in the site:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Switzerland/mondia/Mondia_serial_numbers.ht m

Using the list of Mondia serial #'s, and comparing paint schemes, #803958 is more likely a mid-80's frame set. For example, #356262 is painted one color. In addition, note where #803904 occurs on the timeline. The V-1970's are #12xxxx to #30xxxx. The paint shop produced interesting multi-color schemes (e.g., #168417, #300203) during the 70's.

Tim Parker Vienna, VA -----Original Message----- From: Otis [mailto:otis@otisrecords.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:30 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] For Sale 70's Mondia Super Frameset 60cm

Later 70's (I think) Mondia Super.

Serial number 803958. Reynolds 531 DB.

Seat-tube 60cm center to center.

Top-tube 58.5cm center to center

Seat-post 26.8

Rear spacing 123mm

Includes excellent condition (French thread) Campaganolo Record headset and bottom bracket, and Campy D/O adjusters and seat-collar binder. HS and BB are cleaned but not installed, just shown dry assembled for the photos.

Bike is in overall very nice condition but unfortunately there is a dent in the down-tube on the left side towards the bottom of the tube right about where the bottle bosses are. It's a pretty gentle shallow crease, and I'm sure was caused from being stacked up with a bunch of other bikes recently and not from any type of collision damage. I tried to take good of photos of

the damage but it's really hard to get it to show. See pics # 11 and 12 below.

In my opinion it is purely cosmetic and will not affect the integrity of the

frame (even for a big boy that will fit this one). It's toward the underside

of the tube so is not very visible when the bike is built up. I did not notice until I had it stripped and was cleaning the frame.

Other than that the bike is very straight with great chrome and only a few bad scratches in the paint. One on the right side of the top-tube, and on the right seat-stay. I think the silver would be pretty easy to touch up though.

The decals are worn but are not clear-coated so can be replaced with one of Greg Softley's kits.

Email offlist for any details I left out.

Asking $225 plus actual shipping via Fedex Ground.

Thanks, Jon Williams Grants Pass OR USA

Links to photos:

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-1.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-2.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-3.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-4.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-5.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-6.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-7.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-8.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-9.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-10.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-11.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-12.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-13.jpg

http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/temp-mondia-14.jpg