Re: [CR] Motobecane and Columbus tubing question.

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:32:54 -0700
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: michael D'Arcy <dorchaidhe@hotmail.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, verktyg <verktyg@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <4AB52BA4.1030003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane and Columbus tubing question.


Note that in the attached catalog, the Team Champion is Campy NR/SR, while the Le Champion is slightly less expensive Campy Gran Sport. IIRC, when Motobecane went back to French components on Team Champion in the 80's, it was with Stronglight 106/107 with the Campy 144 BCD circle, adn Mafac SP's which were Campy clones (and good ones).

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Sat, 9/19/09, verktyg wrote:


> From: verktyg <verktyg@aol.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane and Columbus tubing question.

\r?\n> To: "michael D'Arcy" <dorchaidhe@hotmail.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, verktyg@aol.com

\r?\n> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 2:06 PM

\r?\n> Michael,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Your bike is most likely a model that wasn't offered in the

\r?\n> US.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Is it a solid color green or does it have horizontal stripe

\r?\n> decals on the bottom of the seat and down tubes? Sometimes

\r?\n> the plastic stripe decals have been removed.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Here's a link to the 1979 Motobecane US catalog:

\r?\n> http://equusbicycle.com/bike/motobecane/1979/index.html

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Motobecane produced bikes with the horizontal lines for

\r?\n> several years in the late 70s. My 1978 Team Champion is

\r?\n> light metallic blue with dark blue stripes. The frame is

\r?\n> made of metric diameter Columbus tubing with  Columbus

\r?\n> decals in French.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I also had a silver and dark blue striped Le Champion. The

\r?\n> the 3 main tubes and forks were Reynolds 531, an odd

\r?\n> combination to save a few centimes???  The workmanship

\r?\n> on that frame was nowhere near as nice as my Team Champion.

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I've seen photos of higher end Motobecane frames or bikes

\r?\n> with the horizontal stripes in the following colors:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> gold with dark blue or black stripes

\r?\n> silver with dark blue stripes

\r?\n> silver with gray stripes

\r?\n> dark metallic gray with silver stripes

\r?\n> light pink metallic with purple stripes

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I recall seeing a light green Motobecane frame or bike on

\r?\n> one of the European eBays a while back. I thought that maybe

\r?\n> it was light blue or gold and color in the photos was off.

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The Team Champion models (or Champion Team on some European

\r?\n> bikes) came with Campy NR or NR/SR components from 1974

\r?\n> until the early 1980s when they switched to mostly French

\r?\n> components with Weinmann brakes.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Here's the partial time line I've found for Team Champion

\r?\n> frames:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> 1974-1976  Luis Ocana team replica orange*, Reynolds

\r?\n> 531 tubing

\r?\n> 1977 Light metallic blue with dark blue stripes, Reynolds

\r?\n> 753 tubing

\r?\n> 1978 Light metallic blue with dark blue stripes, Columbus

\r?\n> SL tubing

\r?\n> 1979 Light metallic blue with dark blue stripes, Columbus

\r?\n> SL tubing

\r?\n> 1980 color?, Columbus SL tubing

\r?\n> 1981 color?, Columbus SL tubing

\r?\n> 1982-1984? Dark metallic blue, chrome rear triangle,

\r?\n> Columbus SL tubing

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> From 1974 until at least 1984 the Le Champion model came

\r?\n> equipped with all Campy or Campy with some other make of

\r?\n> brakes.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Le Champion time line (1974 to 1977)

\r?\n>

\r?\n> 1974-1976 Lilac metallic or silver, Reynolds 531 tubing

\r?\n> 1977? Silver with dark blue stripes, 3 tubes & forks

\r?\n> Reynolds 531 tubing

\r?\n> 1979 Champagne with blue or black stripes 3 tubes &

\r?\n> forks Reynolds 531

\r?\n>

\r?\n> If anyone can fill in the time line gaps, please do.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Ocana supposedly rode a re-badged Italian frame and they

\r?\n> had different decals on the bikes in the 1973 TdF

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Chas. Colerich

\r?\n> Oakland, CA USA

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> michael D'Arcy wrote:

\r?\n> > Hello,

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I recently bought a lime green Motobecane bicycle with

\r?\n> Columbus tubing. It has been ridden just once. The parts

\r?\n> are

\r?\n> > Campagnolo Nuovo Record, the crank arms indicate 1977.

\r?\n> The rims are Super Champion, Saddle is S.Marco Supercorsa

\r?\n> > Lugs are longpoint, with cutouts, Fork crowns are

\r?\n> Chromed.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Can anyone tell me what model this was? And, was it

\r?\n> common to build Motobecanes with Columbus?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Best regards,

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Michael D'Arcy,

\r?\n> > Lyon, France