On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:58:59 PM, ternst <ternst1@cox.net> wrote: From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering. Date: January 5, 2009 9:58:59 PM GMT-05:00 To: genediggs <genediggs@aol.com>, ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>, "Mar k Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>, "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org OK, Gene, you in trouble now. You and I raced together in the 50's and you're supposed to know this!!! This is exactly what Roger Young says and he states it without argument to
his classes as Velodrome Director at the ADT Velodrome in the Home Depot athletic Center in Carson, California. Roger is a multi National champion, Sister to Sheila Young, world and multi
national champion, and whose dad Claire Young, my dad and I raced against. Claie was also one of Mike Walden's buddies, so all this goes into the '30's
and still is going today!! All the commentary about tied and soldered spokes, diving down the velodrome
bankings, etc. is correct!
BUT, there are only TWO TURNS on a bicycle track/velodrome, PERIOD!
Turn one and turn two. GET IT? GOOD!!!
>From the starting line on the home stretch you are going INTO the first
turn, then going OUT of the first turn into the back stretch!!!
Then from the back stretch you go into the SECOND turn, then you come out
of the SECOND turn and go into the home stretch toward the S/F line. AND THAT'S IT!!! If you guys and gals are going to talk track bikes, fixed gears,and tracks,
then get it right. You all talk to too many very knowledgeable bicycle people and I would enjoy
your using the proper lingo to avoid a faux pax. If you don't, I will call upon John "The Enforcer" Pergolizzi. He will get the Vigorelli leg men to visit the offenders, put them in a figure "8" leg twist until you cry basta!, si, si, due curva unico sopra la
pista. Gene, you been scathed, but I forgive you, maybe it was a senior moment. For everyone else just another nudge to help you hold your line as it were. Love to nag you all, now, I'm going to watch Jeopardy!. Ted Ernst Palos Verdes Estates CA USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "genediggs" <genediggs@aol.com> To: "ehbusch" <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>; "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>;
"D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
> Had to put my two cents worth in on tied and soldered track wheels. I
> still
> have a set of track wheels that I built just for riding 1000 meter races
> bac
> k in the mid 1950's. They have 28 hole Scheeren wood filled rims with RH
> Air
> lite high flange hubs. TIres were Clement Seta. They were good for 200
> PSI.
> We didn't have air gauges that went that high so we flicked them with a
> fing
> er nail and listened for the right sound. Why did build wheels for just
> one
> race? For the same reason I have a set of Cane Creek Carbon Fiber wheels
> on
> my current track bike, lighter, stiffer, faster. I invite all list members
> t
> o come to The Velodrome at Bloomer Park in Rochester Hills, Michigan and
> div
> e off of 44 degree turn four and do a flying 200. I still find it a t
> hrill at seventy four years old although my times are considerable slower.
> G
> ene Diggs, Rochester Hills, MI, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:59:13 AM, ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
> Date: January 5, 2009 9:59:13 AM GMT-05:00
> To: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>, "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.ne
> t.au>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> I also agree with the "Diving Off the Banking Feeling" beeing the best and
>
> which took on a whole new meaning when they used to hold races at Trenton
>
> Speedway. Any one remember that? or been there, done that? Trenton
> Speedway
>
> was used to hold Indy Car Races. As I remember it had the same degree
> banking as T-Town but it was about three times as wide. When you went to
> the
>
> top of the banking there you were about four stories high..Not too many
> tied
>
> and soldered road wheels there...
>
> Ed Busch
> Vonore, Tennessee-USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Fulton" <markfulton5@mac.com>
> To: "D&M Rapley" <bunyips2@bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Tying and soldering.
>
>
>>I agree with David (Rapley) when he says, "...diving off the banking is
>>the best bike feeling ever" with tied & soldered spokes. (G'day David.)
>>But that's not why I tied & soldered my spokes when I was velodrome racing
>
>>in the late '40s and early '50s. I tied & soldered mine because all of the
>
>>pros had theirs done, and I was really good at it. My soldering always
>>looked really good because I used solid bar tinned lead solder and resin
>
>>flux\u2014not acid core wire solder.
>>
>> Mark Fulton
>> Redwood City
>> California
>> USA
>>
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Ted: You are absolutely correct, two turns. I do a lot of the maintenance on
our little (200 meter) track. So for purposes of describing an area that ne
eds attention we have divided the surface up into six sections, front straig
ht , turn one, turn two, back straight, turn three and turn four. You must r
emember this is an outdoor wood track in Michigan so there is a lot of maint
enance. We have four lines on our track, a green line a foot away from the t
op, blue stayers line, a red sprinters lane line and the black measure line.
I know them all intimately, I have painted them all a number of times. T
wo turns, four turns who cares. In Sandra Wright Sutherlands' book "No Brake
s" she shows a diagram with four turns. Thanks to a little wireless bike
computer I know my stats for the year. I can still get to thirty MPH and I d
id more than 2000 miles last season. Most of my non cycling friends think go
ing around an oval 16,000 times is insane. But now that I know I will be doi
ng half as many turns next season it will be much easier. P.S. I helped buil
d Roger Young's first racing machine. An Evans Colson chain drive tricycl
e with drop bars and toe clips and straps. We took him on the road with us a
nd he beat the snot out of all the kids his age in Chicago. Ride on Gene Dig
gs, Rochester Hills, MI, USA