Hi
Claud Butler history is to be found at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
An excellent site with catalogue scans on which I recovered details of my beloved, but long lost, 1965 Classique.
Paul Croft Cockermouth United Kingdom
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1. Repairing a torn gum hood? (devotion finesse) 2. neat old Italian (EPL) 3. Any CR members on Hawaii (big Island) (Rich Pinder) 4. RE: Viners !! (Sarah Gibson) 5. Claud Butler info? (David Bean) 6. Otero Pista 1950 A Slideshow 7. RE: Why 650B? (michele francesconi) 8. A Few More French Taillights (aldoross4) 9. eBay outing: 1st generation Nuovo Record brake calipers, NIP shifters (Adam Hammond) 10. Re: neat old Italian (Eric Meddaugh) 11. Road trips southern cal offer! NOW Chesini (Angel Garcia) 12. Re: neat old Italian (Colin Leipelt) 13. RE: Road trips southern cal offer! (corpuz family)
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:49:17 -0500 From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Repairing a torn gum hood? Message-ID: <COL113-W19377AEACDDE408701A045F5DD0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
Has anybody ever successfully repaired a torn Campy gum hood? Assuming it
is fairly supple and can be slipped onto a brake lever, is there anything
that can be done to deal with this 1/2" tear? A glue/epoxy? Rubber Cement
? Matthew BowneBrooklyn, New York
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:57:59 -0800 From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]neat old Italian Message-ID: <39190.47280.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
(No relation...)
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:26:48 -0800 From: Rich Pinder <rpinder@usc.edu> To: classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Any CR members on Hawaii (big Island) Message-ID: <49676CB8.9060604@usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 3
Hello, Though I've not found any shops on the Big Island who will RENT vintage bikes, I thought I'd see if there are any list members living there - maybe we can grab a ride on an upcoming trip we're making in February ?? We're staying on the west side of the Island, near the airport (near kona, I think)
Thanks Rich Pinder Van Nuys, CA
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:57:28 +0000 From: Sarah Gibson <sadiejane9@hotmail.com> To: <driveadime@msn.com>, <r.clair@cox.net>, classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Viners !! Message-ID: <BAY141-W5A86EA6591A858AD2133B8CDD0@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <BLU112-W198EC1267A926B9168845BCDDC0@phx.gbl> References: <010720092326.5768.49653A33000744DE0000168822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040 A0DBFC7CF9B02070E9C@att.net> <EDC3C5BF1BAE434AB3C9433F9D2C5FBA@Leo> <BLU112-W198EC1267A926B9168845BCDDC0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
the old viner frame sitting here
has a largish star
cutout in bb
it does have the two tiny holes in chainstay bridge
ya can see it here
http://flickr.com/
> I will go check my 1980 Special Professional, I don't recall these "fea
tu> res". And for all the others who have written over the last couple of d
ays> about Viners ...... I love mine, raced on it for years. Yes, the p
ain> t quality wasn't the best but the workman ship is really pretty good.
I li> ked the Geometry too.> > Tom Dockery> Los Altos, CA, USA> From: r
.clair@cox.net> To: Classicrendezvous@bikeli> st.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 20
09 14:25:54 -0600> Subject: [CR]Viners !!> > .> .. anyone bother to "feel"
under the seat stay bridge of one of those old >> "starred" Viner hot rods
, (four holes on the underside), and that litt> le > thing in back of t
he bb (two holes on that underside).> ... neat touch> , but what was that
all albout.> robert clair> alexandria, va 22308> us> a > > _____________
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:01:53 -0500 From: David Bean <beandk@rcn.com> To: "CR List (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Claud Butler info? Message-ID: <000001c97273$97658c70$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com Message: 5
I may go look at a Claud Butler for sale today. I wonder if anyone can furnish some info about the company's history between 1957 (when it appears the marque was sold) until the 80s (which seems the latest this particular bike might have been made). Please copy me on replies to the list as I get the late-arriving digest version of CR.
David Bean Arlington, MA USA beandk at are-see-enn dot com
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:14:31 +0000 From: <gholl@optonline.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Otero Pista 1950 A Slideshow Message-ID: <e4c38f654821.496777e7@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 6
<div style="width:480px; text-align: center;"><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://w169.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w169.photobucket .com/albums/u232/gholl_photos/7a3ba1c0.pbw" height="360" width="480"><a href="http://photobucket.com/slideshows" target="_blank"><img src="http://pic.photobucket.com/slideshows/btn.gif" style="float:left;border-width: 0;" ></a><a href="http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/gholl_photos/?action=view&curr ent=7a3ba1c0.pbw" target="_blank"><img src="http://pic.photobucket.com/slideshows/btn_viewallimages.gif" style="float:left;border-width: 0;" ></a></div> While in Madrid last week I was finally able to get some photos of a few period masterpieces built by Enrique Otero. This pista captivated me. It was built from Swedish tubing. I very much like the O (for Otero) shaped chainstay bridge, the seatstay bridge and the seat stay caps-all signature details. The finish was achieved by a special polishing technique. The stem and bars are handmade. The little bike engraving is another Otero symbol. This bike was ridden by a number of professionals, including Bahamontes, a close friend of Otero. There is period documentation-a newspaper article. The current shop on the street Segovia only sells contemporary bikes now-Trek is their biggest seller. English is not spoken and the vintage bikes are not on display-with the exception of the 1990 Olympic One Km Pursuit winning cycle and a few other Off Topic machines. I have more pictures of other even earlier Otero bikes and additional information if anyone should be interested. George
George Hollenberg MD CT, USA
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:39:12 +0100 From: michele francesconi <mfrancesconi@hotmail.com> To: <travis.harry@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Why 650B? Message-ID: <BAY124-W508260D5F85C3ED3F0B585C7DD0@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <58dbc8400901080916r56de435eobbcb1a4089abf344@mail.gmail.com> References: <MONKEYFOODRGryWtIIZ00000167@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> <BD21A5D1-B744-46EF-A76B-9402CC4982DF@earthlink.net> <a0623091fc58ad3b7934c@192.168.1.33> <2C9AB784-DD1B-11DD-A687-00306583A234@sbcglobal.net> <BAY124-W43ADF7B0F48C49543F831C7DC0@phx.gbl> <58dbc8400901080916r56de435eobbcb1a4089abf344@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
I suddenly realized that this was a couple of off-topic questions! Thanks f or the answers anyway and my excuses to Dale of course.
Michele Francesconi Värmdö Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:16:29 -0500From: travis.harry@gmail.comTo: mfran
cesconi@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [CR]Why 650B?CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist
.orgA different 650: 650c. I don't know the answer to the second question
; this size and the rims are probably off topic. Because of their applica
tion, satisfying ideas of minimizing frontal air resistance, no tires l
arger than 23mm nominal have been made. (with rare minor exception.) If one
is old enough, a 650c bike reminds one of the 85% sized cutlery airlines
used to employ for food service. Or how the world looks through some incor
rectly ground lenses for vision correction. There may be some Georgena Terr
y steel bikes using 650c wheels for smaller size frames, but they are not
brazed steel.Harry TravisWashington DCUSA
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, michele francesconi <mfrancesconi@ho
tmail.com> wrote:
Is´nt there someone on the list that has hands-on experience in racing 65
0 wheels in different triathlon eventsetc? Why are (were) they so popular w
ith triathletes and not with pure timetrialists?Michele FrancesconiVärmd
ö Sweden> From: philcycles@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR]Why 650B?> Da
te: Wed,7 Jan 2009 16:27:47 -0800> To: Bikelist.OrgRENDEZVOUSclassicrende
zvous@bikelist.org> > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Jan Heine wrote:>
> > And I
have not yet ridden a bike with 26" wheels that I thought was > > perfect(
the latter may be due to a limited sample size.)> >> Mine's pretty good but
I've never ridden the perfect bike. I've come > close, however.> Phil Br
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:59 -0500 From: aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]A Few More French Taillights Message-ID: <496784ab.bc.3fe7.1831615329@siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: aldoross4@siscom.net Message: 8
A few more French taillights added to the collection:
http://aldoblog2008.blogspot.com/
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA ------------------------------
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:10:00 -0500 From: Adam Hammond <anhammond@gmail.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]eBay outing: 1st generation Nuovo Record brake calipers, NIP shifters Message-ID: <ab11edd00901090910s7d3f1f5x1bf0bc27c445df56@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
Dear List, On behalf of list member Christian Godard, for whom I am acting as translator, I present the following items:
Item 260343902910: First Generation Nuovo Record Brake Calipers
Described as in perfect condition though lightly used, as being the first model and dated to 67/68, with brake pads in good condition but "30% worn." Contact Christian for shipping rates.
Item 260343912084: NIP SR shift levers.
Adam Hammond Toronto, ON, Canada
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:14 -0800 From: Eric Meddaugh <eric.m@rocketmail.com> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]neat old Italian Message-ID: <12371.43940.qm@web180207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
I'm not seeing a rear derailleur...
Eric Meddaugh San Carlos, CA
________________________________ From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 6:57:59 AM Subject: [CR]neat old Italian
(No relation...)
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:01:32 -0500 From: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Road trips southern cal offer! NOW Chesini Message-ID: <70e14d4c0901091001w176ec4b6w7fd09d242384c2cb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
I'm quite sure that at the time the X-UNO was in the Chesini line-up it was their top of the line model. Could be a great buy (check type of Columbus tubing).
Angel Garcia Long Valley NJ
snip: Hey all!
Thought I'd try to lure some of the Southern cal CR members into the shop t
his weekend. 17th I'll be off to Holland for a container of bicycle stuff>>
>>250 plus framesets with a loads of other goodies.
Here's a partial list of stuff
item 15, CHESINI X-UNO framesets, 59cm to 62cm RED or BLUE with original ch r omed forks $ 225.00 ea.
Just a sampling of what is being offered, there will be lots more! Frames ets - wheelsets and lots of parts.
January 10th 12:00 to 5:00, we'll be there on Sunday as well 12:00 to 4:0 0..........Bring a friend!
Baron C. BC....And the gang! Cafe de Velo 840 E. Main street Santa Paula CA 93060 ( 805 ) 284-3936
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:03:24 -0600 From: Colin Leipelt <colin.leipelt@gmail.com> To: Eric Meddaugh <eric.m@rocketmail.com> Cc: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]neat old Italian Message-ID: <44374ef50901091003l4a4551b6x9307b3309398634a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12371.43940.qm@web180207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <12371.43940.qm@web180207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12
man that thing is cooooooool
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Eric Meddaugh <eric.m@rocketmail.com>wrote:
> I'm not seeing a rear derailleur...
>
> Eric Meddaugh
> San Carlos, CA
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>
>
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> Subject: [CR]neat old Italian
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:18:05 -0800 From: corpuz family <corpuzfamily@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Road trips southern cal offer! Message-ID: <BLU109-W38DF9855BCA6ED121FF360D8DD0@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <BLU109-W589212E190E6E565AF5E41D8DD0@phx.gbl> References: <BLU109-W589212E190E6E565AF5E41D8DD0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
Hi all, BACK AGAIN need to get a handle on this gig before it gets out of hand.
Please note, as stated in the earlier ( EARLIER ) offering this is a cash and carry gig. Once the weekend passes we will know what is left, we'll then make a total CR offer. Please note: These prices are for a cash and ca rry transaction. After the weekend passes we'll then make an offer to the W HOLE CR list, then the prices will be moving up a little bit. Example sen ding a bundle of tires we'll need to include time involved and cost of pack ing material, these are things that we have to add into the price. To sen d such an item, boxes are not readily available, so we'll then need to cut down a bike box for the shipping of a bundle of tires. Could take 20 to 30 minutes and if there is no box available then over to some other bike s hop for a box, sometimes had for FREE and other times $ 5.00 per box, m any times no box available. But then again we can send a BIG box from EUROP E direct, 40ft container of goods we can provide.
FYI. We didn't mean to mislead anybody in anyway. It's mainly Cecile and my self taking on this load, yes we are taking on a lot! Earlier this summer Cecile was in Holland to make things ready for this trip, my trip....... ........It will be a SMASH AND PACK TRIP, I'll be stuffing this container like a can of sardines in the freezing Dutch weather!
Baron C
BC.......And the gang!!
Cafe de Velo
Santa Paula CA. 93060
( 805 ) 284-3936
> From: corpuzfamily@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date:
Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:15:43 -0800> Subject: [CR]Road trips southern cal off
er!> > > Hey all!> > Thought I'd try to lure some of the Southern cal CR me
mbers into the shop t> his weekend. 17th I'll be off to Holland for a conta
iner of bicycle stuff>>> >>250 plus framesets with a loads of other goodies
.> > Here's a partial list of stuff that will be available with prices to m
ove s> ome of this stuff. All OFFERINGS will be New.> > Tubulars rims 700c
, 24o to 36o From $ 10.00 pp and up All are new, Mavi> c, Super Champ
ion, AMBROSIO and so on.> > > 1, MICHELIN all white 700X28 $ 10.00 ea /
buy 2 get 1 for FREE! Bundle of> 10 tires $ 60.00 On hand 50 plus bundles.
> > 2, MICHELIN 27 X 1 BIB SPORT same deal as above ( 1 )> > 3, WOLBER
SL 19 cotton tires, same deal as ( 1 ) > > 4, WOLBER PISTE $ 25.00 ea.>
> 5, WOLBER 24'' $ 10.00 ea.> > 6, WOLBER 26'' $ 10.00 ea.> > 7, WOL
BER cyclocross 2 different models $ 15,- and $ 20,- ea.> > 8, Several
other types and conditions, from $ 5.00 > > 9, TANGE LEVIN old style C
amagnolo copy FRENCH thread $ 17.00 Boxed.> > 10, GIPIEMME cronosprint,
Campagnolo copy ( BLACK alloy ) ITALIAN threa> d $ 22.00> > 11, GIPIEMME
CRONOSPECIAL with fluted arms satin ( MEXICO FINISH ) 170 -> 42 / 52 $ 125
.00 - boxed.> > 12, SR ROYAL drilled chainwheels 144cbd, 42 drilled bla
ck - 47 drilled > silver - 54 drilled silver - 54 drilled black. $ 10.- to
$ 15.00> > 13, Campagnolo 43t NR chainwheel nos/nip $ 30.00 ea. 10 availa
ble.> > 14, RIGI road framesets, matalic red 61cm no front derailleur P
aint wil> l be perfect $ 175.00 ea 1 or 2 available.> > 15, CHESINI X-UNO
framesets, 59cm to 62cm RED or BLUE with original chr> omed forks $ 225.
00 ea.> > 16, OLYMPIC alloy ( FRENCH thread ) $ 15.00 pp - boxed. > > 17
, CINELLI old logo hairnets size 5 - $ 7.00 ea, 3 for $ 20.00> > 18,
REG chromed steel toe-clips NOS/NIP factory bagged $ 5.00 per pair / > 5 pa
irs for $ 20.00> > 19, Yellow / mustard toe straps generic Italian made $
5.00 pp / 5 pairs > for $ 20.00> > 20, COBRA all white water bottles $ 2
.50 ea / 2 for $ 4.00> > 21, CLARKS cable set, brake and gear cables $
7.00 per set NOS/NIP.> > 22, WHITE cloth tape ( french made ) $ 1.00 per
roll.> > 23, ARIUS brown suade type saddles BROWN with bag loops $ 20.00
ea.> > 24. EUROPEAN made acrylic jerseys size 2 - 6 basic short sleve $ 10.
00 - $> 15.00 ea. Please note EUROPEAN sizing, on the smaller side.> > 25
, EUROPEAN SHORT with chamios wool / acrylic blend size 2 and size 3 wi>
th button rear pocket $ 10.00 / $ 15.00> > 26, SUNTOUR gear bags ( duffle
) $ 15.00 ea TOP QUALITY!> > 27, CYCLUS headset press $ 40.00 ea.> > 28
, JPR / VARTA French made 2 c-cell light sets front and rear $ 15.00 ea>
.> > 29, SHIMANO 600EX brake caliper sets short reach recessed mounting $
25.0> 0 per set.> > 30, ROVAL TRACK wheel set tubular 700c 28 spoke, t
ake off. Only one set> available $ 125.00> > Just a sampling of what is bei
ng offered, there will be lots more! Frames> ets - wheelsets and lots of
parts.> > January 10th 12:00 to 5:00, we'll be there on Sunday as well 12
:00 to 4:0> 0..........Bring a friend! > > Baron C.> BC....And the gang!> C
afe de Velo> 840 E. Main street > Santa Paula CA 93060> ( 805 ) 284-3936> >
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