Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 73, Issue 83

From: David Patrick <patrick-ajdb@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Two books for sale to CR list - NEW copies To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 11:29 AM

I have duplicates of two bicycle titles that are for sale: ? "The Golden Age of Handmade Bicycles" by Jan Heine.? Hardcover, New, 2005 .? $60 list plus shipping from Jan.? MY PRICE: $35 including postage in U.S. ? "The Six Day Bicycle Races - America's Jazz-Age Sport" by Peter Nye.?Hard cover, New, 2006.? $39.95 list, Amazon price: $30.36 plus shipping. MY PR ICE: $20 including postage in U.S. ? I'll be shipping these via USPS Media Mail which can take approx 2 weeks. I prefer Paypal and can ship immediately.? Thanks. ? ? Dave Patrick Chelsea, Michigan USA

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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:04:07 +0100 From: Kai Hilbertz <khilbertz@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Brake Levers To: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net>, CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <90BCE521-E5B6-4555-8FEE-E218206C1A70@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=ye s

Jan. 18, 09

Hello Ed + List,

you're absolutely right, I wrote it wrong. Lance sometimes used a down tube shifter on the left, not a bar-end shifter, sorry. The similarity I meant was that he had a Dura-Ace STI brake+shift combo on the right and a non-shifting Shimano R600 aero brake lever on the left.

On hybrid set-ups, I currently like to use a Camp Record 10x mated to a Shimano 9x derailleur on the right and either a DiaCompe 287-V or Magura on the left.

Greets

Kai Hilbertz Mu nich, Germany

On 18.01.2009, at 18:09, ehbusch wrote:
> Only problem I see here is that I never saw Lance using a front bar
> end shifter. All the pics and personal observations I've seen have
> Lance using a front down tube shifter, with a standard left brake
> lever...A down tube shifter would I believe have too many cables for
> his ride...
>
> Ed Busch
> Vonore Tennesse USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai Hilbertz" <khilbertz@googlemail.c om
> >
> To: "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:57 AM
> Subject: [CR] Brake Levers
>
>
>> Jan. 18, 09
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I can confirm what Michael Schmid + Tobit Linke said, brake levers
>> in Germany are almost always mounted in the Continental + US style,
>> i.e. left to front. As a friend of mine who is a professional
>> mechanic confirmed, almost all exceptions he deals with are either
>> British bikes or bikes belonging to cyclo-crossers who also ride
>> motorcycles. And there are some cheap bikes and roller brake bikes
>> with right to front, as mentioned.
>>
>> One point hasn't been raised yet. All off-topic modern brake+shift
>> systems are set up to shift the rear derailleur with the right.
>> Why could this play a role with how you set up your brake levers?
>> If you'll bear with me, it can play a role for KOF or classic
>> bikes with mixed braking systems.
>>
>> On a racing bike, I'll typically have side-pull brakes front and
>> rear. My tandems and heavy touring bikes have cantilever bosses
>> front and rear. With bikes in between these extremes, city bikes,
>> commuters and light tourers, I personally often prefer a hybrid
>> system with a side- pull in the rear and v-brakes in the front.
>> This gives me a combination of braking strength in the front and
>> modulation in the rear. Probably not most folks' cup of tea, but
>> it works for me. (You can also get strength and modulation with
>> Magura HS 66's + 77's, but these are no longer ma de, rare, and off
>> topic).
>>
>> In the 70's and 80's, I never much liked down tube shifters and
>> preferred bar-end shifters. I still like them today, but often
>> prefer the comfort of a brake+shift system for the rear. A hybrid
>> system impinges on brake levers as follows. My on-topic 70's Bruce
>> Gordon has a rear side-pull brake and will receive a new KOF fork
>> with cantilever bosses. The right brake (and shift) lever goes to
>> the rear, where it perfectly matches the Campagnolo side-pull
>> brake. The left brake lever, which has no shifting function, goes
>> to the front and perfectly matches the v-brake without any travel-
>> agents etc. The front derailleur is shifted by a bar-end lever on
>> the left. BTW, different motives can lead to similar results; on
>> mountain stages some racers such as Lance used a similar brake
>> lever setup (without front cantis) with a bar-end shifter on the
>> left to reduce weight.
>>
>> In the end, I have to agree with the Jan Heine that neither left
>> to front nor right to front is superior. It's just a matter of
>> personal preference, use whatever floats your boat.
>>
>> Greets
>>
>> Kai Hilbertz
>> Munich, Germany
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:09:03 +0000 From: Stuart Tallack <stuarttallack@mac.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Brakes To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <68845988058844634235619332356392308015-Webmail@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

I hesitate to put in my two penn'orth to this discussion because I am inhib ited by the level of competence and expertise shown by all of you. Nevertheless, I am fairly confident that in Britain, right hand lever for front brake goes bac k to pre-WW1 days. There was a fashion for clean bars in the early years of the twentieth century and, because of that, the lever and rod setup is difficul t to change. Survivors usually have two brakes with the front operated by the ri ght hand. More sporting machines ,with a fixed wheel, had one brake on the fron t often operated by a short pull up lever, then known as a dwarf lever. That was fixed so that the lever pointed to the right. Early motorcycles with stirru p brakes followed the convention. The standardisation is rather odd in an era when car controls could not have been more varied.

Stuart Tallack in West Sussex

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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:10:11 +0000 From: nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr> Subject: [CR] Strange ugly Masi... To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <913390.48952.qm@web28001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dale, that Masi looks just like any other to me. Is it the color scheme whi ch is the problem ? Or just the way the master used a Black and Decker saw

with a blunt blade to make the BB cut ? Nick March, Agen 47000, Lot et Garonne, France=0A=0A=0A

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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:14:15 +0100 From: Max Herrmann <MySoulGentlyWeeps@web.de> Subject: [CR] Please help me finding Campy Display Wall To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <476473029@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"

Dear Listmembers, I don't know when it come out (so I am sorry if it is dated behind the CR- Timeline, please tell me if it is, and I will cancel the search), but I am searching

one of these plastic Campagnolo display walls (I think they were blue). They were for the single, spare sprockets and keep them in a good light fo r the customer. A friend of mine has one, and I also want to have one for my shop. Does anyone has one left and is willing to sell/trade it? By the way: Was there also different disp lay parts like these from Campag nolo? I could not find something about it on the internet... I am also searching used Campy OR parts (front hub and crank), please cont act me off-list. Thanks very much and best regards from Germany,

Max Herrmann Melsungerstr. 9 14089 Berlin GERMANY

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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:28:50 -0600 From: Nor Meyer <norbikes@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Bicycle Quarterly's Braking issue, 'Modern Racing Brakes' To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <430e89320901181028r61a68ab6nac81a32f42a8888f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

"And if one wants to be fair, they were a step backward only in the sense that they popularized the technically inferior Sidepull design."

Well, if we are so intent on championing bicycle technology, praps we shoul d start talking about aluminum, titanium and carbon fiber frames. Never mind that thousands upon thousands upon thousands of miles were raced on bicycle s mounted with the "inferior" Campy sidepull brakes over the years. Is there some kind of snob factor at work here...? Oh ye unbeknighted, unwashed masses astride your over-rated Italian bikes w their Campy gruppos----get with the program!

Nor Meyer in Mt. Vernon, IA USA (building up his Wojcik road bike with----guess what? Sidepull brakes!)

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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:19:42 +0000 From: Wyndham Pulman-Jones <simonpj@mac.com> Subject: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <31212219818691683363034118738779362860-Webmail@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Recently acquired 1979 Bruce G ordon. Columbus SL frame with Cinelli lugs, in a gorgeous copper colour offset by subtle turquoise accents in the lugs and f ork blade stiffeners, and with painted-to-match pump.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/Bruce+Gordon+1979/

The frame has Shimano dropouts, which prompted me to build it up with Shima no Dura Ace EX. Unfortunately, I didn't get it built up soon enough to get out for a ride this weekend to see whether it rides as beautifully as it looks!

Wyndham Pulman-Jones Girton, Cambs., UK.

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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:41:18 -0500 From: ehbusch <ehbusch@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [CR] 1979 Bruce Gordon - photos To: Wyndham Pulman-Jones <simonpj@mac.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <001301c979a4$bbf394f0$6400a8c0@OFFICE1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Nice Ride- Especially like the original blue nylon straps on the peddals. I

still have a pair with them, but pink brake hoods? Waaasssuuupp wit that...

Ed Busch
Vonore Tennessee USA