Re: [CR] More Huret Jubilee Mysteries - Ted's Pivot Bolts

(Example: Component Manufacturers:Campagnolo)

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:45:12 -0400
From: "Louis Schulman" <louiss@gate.net>
To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
References: <9646.78936.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <9646.78936.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] More Huret Jubilee Mysteries - Ted's Pivot Bolts


I got my bolt today. It is the exact bolt to attach a Huret Duopar to a Campy dropout. May well work with other Huret dérailleurs as well. Now I don't have to depend on Loctite to hold the derailleur on.

Thanks Ted!

Louis Schulman Tampa, Florida

Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> Received these today, actually I think they will fit Jubilee. I tried them, and the head does fit in the recess in the Jubilee body. The bolt is shorter than the original Jubilee bolt, but because of the internal expander, one need not thread the locknut on from inside the DO, so less thread length is required. Of course these are black while the original Jubilee bolt is chromed, so it won't look original.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> --- On Sat, 9/26/09, ternst <ternst1@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: More Huret Jubilee Mysteries - Can Anyone Solve ?
>> To: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>, "Louis Schulman" <louiss@gate.net>, "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 1:29 PM
>> Jryy Moos brought up a point I had
>> forgotten.
>> The bolts I have may be too large in the head to fit in a
>> Jubilee Deraileur.
>> I haven't shipped them yet.
>> The head measures 12mm across. and could be ground down to
>> fit. It's black in colour.
>> Those of you that have one on order, please confirm your
>> request, or I'll send your remittances back on arrival.
>> Sorry for any confusion, thanks, Jerry for the latest
>> detail.
>> Ted Ernst
>> Palos Verdes Estates
>> CA USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
>> To: "Louis Schulman" <louiss@gate.net>;
>> "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: More Huret Jubilee Mysteries - Can
>> Anyone Solve ?
>>
>>
>>
>>> OK, fellow riders, here's what I have.
>>> The part # is either 23 or 2845.
>>> The second # on the original factory packet wasn't
>>>
>> printed all the way and I can't pick it up with a 16x
>> loupe.
>>
>>> It's a black bolt about 14mm overall with a 2mm
>>>
>> shoulder. From shoulder to end is about 12mm. It inserts
>> into the top of the derailleur, screws into the threaded
>> dropout derailleur eyelet, you set the swivel looseness you
>> want , hold the bolt tite with your allen and titen the
>> inside allen to expand the slotted thread and fix it in the
>> eyelete so it stays in adjustment for swivel play.
>>
>>> I don't have a Huret schematic available to look it
>>>
>> up.
>>
>>> I dont have any of the washers with tabs to set the
>>>
>> derailleur angle. The Jubilee I thought had a stop built
>> into the unit to take care of that.
>>
>>> If that's the part you'd like I have 4 or 5
>>>
>> available.
>>
>>> Please let me know.
>>> Ted Ernst
>>> Palos Verdes Estates
>>> CA USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Schulman"
>>>
>> <louiss@gate.net>
>>
>>> To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: More Huret Jubilee Mysteries -
>>>
>> Can Anyone Solve ?
>>
>>>
>>>> Just so. The Huret bolt has no shoulder, so
>>>>
>> if you tighten it all the way down, the derailleur can't
>> move. Huret really loved adjustable lock nuts. They
>> put them all over the place where other manufacturers just
>> used fixed length parts. It does allow you to set the
>> play exactly.
>>
>>>> Louis Schulman
>>>> Tampa, Florida USA
>>>>
>>>> Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So why was this necessary on threaded
>>>>>
>> DO'S? Campy NR/SR and Japanese RD's didn't need such a
>> nut. I believe on those RD's the thread on the upper pivot
>> bolt bottomed out against the DO just slightly before the RD
>> body was pulled against the DO, allowing free movement of
>> the RD. The nut on Huret, except in the case of
>> unthreaded Simplex DO's, would only have been required
>> because Huert failed to design the pivot bolt with the
>> proper length of threaded section.
>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Moos
>>>>> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 9/23/09, iamnofred@aol.com
>>>>>
>> <iamnofred@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: iamnofred@aol.com
>>>>>>
>> <iamnofred@aol.com>
>>
>>>>>> Subject: [CR] Fwd: More Huret
>>>>>>
>> Jubilee Mysteries - Can Anyone Solve ?
>>
>>>>>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 5:38
>>>>>>
>> PM
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The small nut inside the DO was there to
>>>>>>
>> lock in the DO to
>>
>>>>>> allow the derailleur to pivot freely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In overcast 80 degree lovely riding
>>>>>>
>> weather
>>
>>>>>> Gary Smith
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TLC for Bikes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raleigh NC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 6:05 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CR] More Huret Jubilee
>>>>>>
>> Mysteries - Can Anyone
>>
>>>>>> Solve ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [the] Jubilee, I believe had different
>>>>>>>
>> bodies for each
>>
>>>>>> DO type, with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the tab for the stop actually
>>>>>>>
>> incorporated into the
>>
>>>>>> body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one Jubilee I have here does not have
>>>>>>
>> a stop on the
>>
>>>>>> body, instead
>>>>>> using the familiar tabbed washers to
>>>>>>
>> accommodate different
>>
>>>>>> dropout types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other strange thing about the
>>>>>>>
>> Jubilee, and maybe
>>
>>>>>> other Huret
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RD's, is it usually came with a nut
>>>>>>>
>> that threaded onto
>>
>>>>>> the pivot bolt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from inside the DO. This was somewhat
>>>>>>>
>> like the nut
>>
>>>>>> used by Simplex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RD's. But in the case of Simplex
>>>>>>>
>> the nut was
>>
>>>>>> used because the RD was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> primarily designed for Simplex DO's,
>>>>>>>
>> even though
>>
>>>>>> Simplex RD's work
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fine on Campy and Huret DO's as well.
>>>>>>>
>> Simplex DO's
>>
>>>>>> were unthreaded,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so the nut inside the DO was the only
>>>>>>>
>> way to secure
>>
>>>>>> the pivot bolt to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the DO. But I'm pretty sure I've
>>>>>>>
>> seen Jubilees
>>
>>>>>> with the nut, even on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> threaded Huret and Campy DO's.
>>>>>>>
>> Anyone know the
>>
>>>>>> purpose of this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was also used on some Duopar units.
>>>>>>
>> The small,
>>
>>>>>> Allen-headed bolt
>>>>>> threads into the back side of the mounting
>>>>>>
>> bolt, which is
>>
>>>>>> longitudinally
>>>>>> split on the threaded section. The small
>>>>>>
>> bolt has a tapered
>>
>>>>>> head, which
>>>>>> fits into a tapered recess on the back of
>>>>>>
>> the mounting
>>
>>>>>> bolt. When
>>>>>> tightened, this spreads the mounting bolt,
>>>>>>
>> preventing it
>>
>>>>>> from loosening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
>>>>>> Appleton WI USA