Re: [CR] PXN10E?? on SD Craig's list

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:03:10 -0700
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com>
In-Reply-To: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB8AF@Exchange-SVR>
Subject: Re: [CR] PXN10E?? on SD Craig's list


Well,in Chuck Schmidt's collection of repro Peugeot catalogs, not all the catalogs are dated, but they are arranged in chronological order. The one showing the PXN10 with chromed fork and painted stays is either 1981 or 1982. However, the undated catalog preceeding the dated 1980 one, which may be 1979, shows a PXN10E with full chromed fork and painted stays, exactly in agreement with the eBay seller. The previous catalog shows a PXN10E with "chromed fork crown and ends", presumably meaning half-chromed forks and stays, the classic PX-10 pattern. So I have no doubt that in the late 70's/early 80's, Peugeot did sell a PXN10 or PXN10E "Super Competition" with full chromed fork and painted stays. So the Craigslist bike may not be 1979, but I think it is within a year or two.

Part of the confusion is that this bike was actually marked as "Super Competition" on the toptube for several years, while the model designation varied from year to year. Both from the catalogs and personal memory, this model was also widely avilable as a frameset only. The DO's were still Simplex, but IIRC, they had begun threading and notching them to accept a Campy RD or clone, which still did not interfere with using a Simplex RD. The Super Competition frame would build up into a pretty nice - and competitive - racing bike for a reasonable price as I recall. However, I don't remember when Peugeot actually switched to English HS and BB thread, so if it was still French in 1979, that may have limited the sales of framesets in the US.

BTW, there was also a "Competition" frameset which from Chuck's catalogs seems to have been 531 DB main tubes most years, although it might have been Super Vitus in some years. This was very similar but typically with half-chromed forks, painted stays. The catalogs don't show the "Competition" as a frameset only, but I believe they were available that way.

But to return to the original issue. I believe the Craigslist bike is fairly represented, with at least reasonable accuracy. However, I don't think $800 is a very attractive price if one intends to restore it to road bike configration with the additional cost that would entail.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Wed, 10/7/09, John Hurley wrote:


> From: John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] PXN10E?? on SD Craig's list

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 1:01 PM

\r?\n> Bob Hillery wrote:

\r?\n> "Looking at the images onPeugeot show...is a great

\r?\n> resource.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> (http://www.peugeotshow.com/1980nl/1980nl_32.jpg)

\r?\n>

\r?\n> No PXN10 until 1980; No 'E' until1983. The 1979 PX 10, '80

\r?\n> PXN 10, and

\r?\n> '83 PX 10 E specs are all very different from what's

\r?\n> listed."

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Most of the catalogs on this site are Dutch, not USA, and

\r?\n> there were

\r?\n> differences in Peugeots marketed in different

\r?\n> countries.  Some USA

\r?\n> catalogs can be seen on bikeboompeugeot, but I can't get to

\r?\n> the site

\r?\n> myself right now.  I can't get to the Craig's List

\r?\n> either, however, I do

\r?\n> have some printouts from USA catalogs of 1977 and

\r?\n> 1978.  Given the

\r?\n> confusing array of model numbers from Peugeot and the often

\r?\n> generic use

\r?\n> of the PX-10 designation, I wouldn't depend upon nor blame

\r?\n> a seller for

\r?\n> not getting the model number just right.  There was a

\r?\n> PRN10E model in

\r?\n> 1977 and 1978 that had Reynolds 531 main triangle with

\r?\n> non-chromed

\r?\n> stays.  Maybe the bike in question is one like this

\r?\n> with a fork

\r?\n> replacement.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> John Hurley

\r?\n> Austin, Texas, USA