Re: [CR] re; CR ID'ing a French Frame...Gitane and Royal Asport Pro SC Similarities and differences

(Example: Bike Shops:R.E.W. Reynolds)

References: <FLEMJEMLPBIPFNIAHEMAEEIACEAA.westown1@att.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:02:17 -0700
From: "John D Proch" <johnprochss@yahoo.com>
To: <westown1@att.net>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <johnprochss@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To:
Subject: Re: [CR] re; CR ID'ing a French Frame...Gitane and Royal Asport Pro SC Similarities and differences


Hi Chris,

My Royal Asport has the same fork crown as yours pictured, Campagnolo long horizontal dropouts and all Campagnolo NR components. What is with the Stronglight crankset in this photo? Did a Professionnal Super Corsa ever have Nervex pro lugs, long horizontal Campy 1010 dropouts and all Campagnolo NR components? Anybody else have an opinion? It is a Gitane Professionnal Super Corsa, but with Nervex Pro lugs? Wrap around lugs on the Pro? I don't think so with my two Pros Super Corsas (Gitane and Royal Asport). Thanks for any help anyone could offer me.

John Proch La Grange, Texas

________________________________ From: "" <westown1@att.net> To: verktyg <verktyg@aol.com>; "Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 5:54:44 PM Subject: Re: [CR] re; CR ID'ing a French Frame

Thanx Chas, Whats your best guess? http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/models/tourdefrance/1970GitaneTourdeFrance.jpg Are those wrap around seat stays on that pro? I can't tell for sure
>From the Gitane Site; The early 1970's models featured Vagner Fork Crowns....It was outfitted with Campagnolo Nuovo Record components, instead of the French assortment used on the TdF, and used Campagnolo dropouts, as opposed to Simplex.

Chris Plunkett Chicago, IL

-----Original Message----- From: verktyg [mailto:verktyg@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:05 PM To: westown1@att.net; Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] re; CR ID'ing a French Frame

Chris,

It's not a Gitane.

They never used Prugnat type 62D lugs: http://tinyurl.com/yfmfoed

The Super Corsa and earlier Tour de France models used Prugnat Type S "Italian Style" lugs: http://tinyurl.com/ce2h66

Later TdFs used Bocama Professional lugs.

Also Gitane never had wrap over seat stays nor did they use the diamond chainstay bridge reinforcements.

Most early Gitane SCs and TdFs came with Nervex Professional fork crowns which were later changed to Nervex DuBois crowns probably around 1972. At the height of the Bike Boom they also used a variety of Wagner crowns (maybe in the late 60s too).

Chas. Colerich with a dozen classic Gitanes
Oakland, CA USA