No, my 1972 P-13 road racer does not have front eyelets. That is a valid 1972 Paramount serial number, but it now appears he is saying it is on the steerer tube, not the rear DO. Never heard of Paramount serial numbers on the steerer.
I'm not sure this is not a Paramount. The front triangle looks like an early 70's P-13. The chromed fancy Nervex lugs are right, the fork crown is right, the angles look about right, and there is a Paramount headbadge, though of course that can be retrofitted.
But the rear triangle is all wrong. I agree those don't even look like Campy rear DO's. The left one even looks a biit like old Simplex. If Schwinn ever built fastback stays like that, it was at Waterford, not Chicago. And the chromed rear brake bridge.
This looks to be a nicely built frame and probably custom built. So why would anyone want to pass it off as a Paramount in particular if it is not?
One possibility is this is an early 70's P-13 which later had the rear triangle badly damaged in a collision, or maybe a car backed over it in the garage. The Schwinn Waterford shop in the early 80's would build virtually any feature the customer wanted. They could have replaced the rear triangle with fastback stays, the chrome bridge, the rack bosses, and whatever rear DO's those are. It would have been fairly easy to add internal cable routing, brazeon shifter bosses and an FD brazeon at the same time. The cost would probably have approached that of a completely new frame, but maybe the guy had a sentimental attachment to it.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA
> From: billydavid13@comcast.net <billydavid13@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] OK: It's not a Paramount with fast back seat stays and internal cable routing. How What is it? A true Mystery bike?
> To: "Leonard Diamond" <leonarddiamond@verizon.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 1:22 PM
> Hi All. A couple of things: Those
> certainly don't look like Campy 1010 dropouts [which is what
> you'd expect on a '73] - the open part is way too large.
> There are no eyelets on the front fork, even the racing
> Paramounts had these in '73, i believe. The orange paint
> looks pretty close to the Schwinn orange of the day but this
> is not, was not, even close to the Molteni orange as claimed
> by the seller. Schwinn sold full chrome Paramounts but i've
> never heard of them painting over a full chrome frame like
> many Italian bikes and some Carltons, e.g. Listmembers
> correct me if i'm wrong, here.
> Do any of the Paramount afficionadoes on the list have any
> thoughts as to the serial #? Not a bad looking bike, but
> there's definitely some misinformation if not disinformation
> in the listing. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.-----
> Original Message -----
> From: "Leonard Diamond" <leonarddiamond@verizon.net>
>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:05:22 PM GMT -06:00
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> Subject: Re: [CR] OK: It's not a Paramount with fast back
> seat stays and internal cable routing. How
> What is it? A true Mystery bike?
>
> The brake bridge being chromed is also not right. Looked
> at other items the
> seller has had. Check out the Paramount track bike item
> 120465930332. Is
> that the correct fork crown and do the seat stays look
> right?
> Len Diamond
> Ridgewood, New Jersey USA
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> On Behalf Of Tom Sanders
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:52 PM
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>
> Subject: [CR] OK: It's not a Paramount with fast back seat
> stays and
> internal cable routing. How What is it? A true Mystery
> bike?
>
> It's been opined that this is not and never was a
> Paramount. I agree. Any
> guesses on just what it is? E-Bay item # 120481889227
>
> It really is a nice bike, by the look of it.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
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