Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 82, Issue 144/Tony Taylor/ fixed wheel

> From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Mafac 2000 brake (transverse) cables
> To: "Rendezvous Classic" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 1:05 PM
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Wayne Bingham wrote:
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> > The transverse cable for the Mafac Competition and the
> 2000 caliper is the
> > same part number (#1469). I doubt anyone is making
> repros though.? Too much
> > effort for too little return, I suspect.
>
>
> Please note that while the 2000 and some Competitions used
> the ball end straddle cable, there are Competitions that use
> a different cable with a derailleur type end one one side
> and a pull tab end on the other.
> Phil Brown
> Had 'em both in Oakland, Calif.
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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:21:58 -0700 From: donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca> Subject: Re: [CR] Badge adhesive To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <20091026212158.212C819D8D@ug6.ece.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain

When i want something to stick FOREVER, I use what the Acquarium builders use - pure silicone glue (DOW Silicone I, NOT DAP and NOT DOW Silicone II - the useless stuff that cleans up with water and doesn't work, you want DOW Silicon I because that's the stuff that leaches acetic acid / vinegar and it lasts virtually forever.)

It's flexible and emits acid to help with the bonding process.  It's also incredibly strong (a 1"x1" patch can probably hold 10 kilos ..)

Unlike JObst Brand, who coasts downhill too much, I find that head-tube flexion ruins my headsets, and so you will need a flexible glue to hold the badge securely as the head tube flexes.  In my opinion, nothing beats pure silicone for strength and flexibility at the same time.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA, USA

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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:30:21 -0400 From: Charles King <kingcharles3@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] Recommendations sought for re-painting bike To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID:     <2bf65cb70910261430y2f9bf827k11f92304a231f5a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

I an considering having my 1974 Motobecane Grand Record repainted.  I removed the most of the components yesterday with a view toward selling the frame and parts on eBay (the bike was offered for sale on this list last summer), but now I'm flip flopping again.  I try not to be sentimental about this bike, but it's hard.  Now my plan is to put it back on the road as a rando bike, with updated components.  I figure I can do that cheaper than buying a new bike for brevets.

The frame is in very good shape, for a 35 year old bike, but there are small chips and scratches here and there, with a number of chips  on the drive side chain stay.  While I'm at it, I would have a small (approx. 1/2") dent removed from the top tube.  I want to use the original colors (grey and black)  and have replacement decals installed too.

Would you please recommend several good bike painters for this project? Have any of you heard of Air Glow Painting, a company I found by doing a web search.  Here is their web site: http://www.airglowpainting.com/pricing/index.html

Thanks in advance.

Charles King Westchester, New York U.S.A.

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Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:44:05 -0400 From: <edvintage63@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Road-Path versus Path Racer (Ed Granger) To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CC249C93190C0D-18A8-DD35@webmail-m068.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Norris wrote:

"Frames specifically built for track racing ie without mudguard clearances or brake spindle holes were called, in normal conversation, track bikes...In catalogues they might be fancifully called Path frames or even be named after a certain track such as the Vigorelli." ___________________________________________________________

A quick check of my fanciful "Lightweight Cycle Catalogs Volume 1" as published by the JPMPF yields the Paris "Path Model" which is described as "designed to meet the needs of the real trackman ... " (as well as "The Carlton Road Track" which doesn't have a stated purpose but is available with "Track or Road rear ends as required.")

Ed Granger Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA

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Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:45:45 -0400 From: <stephen.p.kinne@hsbcpb.com> Subject: [CR] 66 Paramount To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID:     <OFBA7E0F80.7532D29E-ON8525765B.00761EC2-8525765B.00778BE6@smtpgate.us.hsbc>

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I have a 66 or 67, I think the stock build should be Weinmann rims, Campy no-name hubs, Reynolds straight seat pin, plastic Unica or leather Brooks Pro, Titan stem.  Brake hole drilled front only if drilled, not rear, Weinmann 500 or Schwinn Approved brakes.  Weinmann or Weinman Schwinn Approved rims.  Mine has Campag track cranks, skip-tooth but could be regular pitch, they were offered either way.  I think there is a Schwinn Paramount databook on someone's website that covers this and has scans of the catalog pages with specs here:

http://www.geocities.com/databook/publications.html

Steve Kinne New York, NY

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Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:37 -0400 From: marie autrey <ridingrabbit@earthlink.net> Subject: [CR] gloves and finger numbness To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <380-2200910126214837748@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Buy a pair of the gel heel pads that runners use, and glue them inside your on-topic string-back gloves. Then you can use that Benotto tape or shellac-ed cotton without having fingers go numb, or shrivel and fall off

marie autrey ridingrabbit@earthlink.net Decatur, Georgia (little country town enveloped by Atlanta) USA

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Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:53 -0700 From: Anthony Taylor <ajft1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Road-Path versus Path Racer To: Jon Spangler <jonswriter@att.net>,     <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <225466.65248.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Jon,

I grew up in Bristol in the UK, and rode competitively in the late fifties/early sixties. Back then a track frame was the weapon of choice for time trialing. They were lighter and stiffer than a road frame, therefore more efficient. My younger brother frequently rode a track frame with a derailleur fitted for a more hilly event. This allowed hime to go back to a single fixed gear for a flat event.

English traffic law required that bicycles had two brakes fitted for road use. This is why you frequently see vintage English track frames drilled for brakes. A fixed gear was accepted as a rear brake because the rider could apply braking force from the pedals. Strictly track bikes had no brakes.

At that time, we were lucky to be able to afford one decent bike, so it had to do whatever you needed of it. Commuting, racing, touring etc. None of us had cars, so it was not uncommon to ride to a race, fenders and lights fitted and your gear in a saddlebag, change on the side of the road, remove the fenders, compete, and reverse the process to get home. As we rode on open public roads we usually started at "O dark early" so that we could finish before the daily traffic started to build up.

At that time, traffic laws were strictly enforced. One would get a ticket for not having brakes on a bike. For example, I once got a ticket on my street, in view of my house, from our local "bobby" because he felt that my rear light was not bright enough.

These were great days.

Tony Taylor Manchester NH

________________________________ From: Jon Spangler <jonswriter@att.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 2:56:50 PM Subject: Re: [CR] Road-Path versus Path Racer

Norris Lockley, John Crump, Kevin Sayles, Hilary Stone, and all,

Thanks ever so much to you all for your insights into the various designations of UK dual-purpose bikes and frames. Apparently the term "English path racer" is a purely North American colonial construct, albeit one with understandable origins.

Does the wider R-P or R-T classification include bikes with both track and road rear dropouts, then, or just those with the track dropouts in the rear?

Were road frames freely adapted to fixed-gear use on the track (path) as well as on the road, as long as the brakes were removed (pending local judges' discretion)?

What additional terms would you all recommend that we use to properly and accurately delineate the different sub-varieties of these bikes?

Did anyone mount rear derailleurs on bikes with the track dropouts "back in the day," as was recently posted here in a more recent manifestation?

On a more technical note, are there any purely *technical* reasons (versus aesthetic or historical accuracy/purity ones and other heresies) that an older RTT or RP frame with 115 MM or 110 MM rear OTL spacing could not be spread to accommodate a 120MM OLN rear hub?

Thanks again for the wealth of info you all have to offer us on this topic.

Jon Spangler learning a lot about UK cycling history in Alameda, CA USA (aka "the colonies")

On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:58 AM, <classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> wrote:
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:18:44 +0000
> From: Norris Lockley <nlockley73@googlemail.com>
> Subject: [CR] Road-Path versus Path Racer
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> Thanks for the couple of invitations to pitch into this debate with my
> ten-pennyworth of recollection. I hope that Crumpy is reading this as I need
> him to edit out my mistakes.
>
> Reading the many contributions on the topic I first of all felt alienated
> from the term* Road-Path? *as I was more used to the term *Road-Track..* as
> this more appropriately described the joint use to which we used to put such
> frames.
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> Then I started to wonder whether the difference in terms reflected the north
> v south geographical divide that used to and still exists to this day in the
> UK..increasingly so in terms of income ie did southerners from London, Kent
> and Surrey ride on paths to the office, while northerners rode on roads to
> their factories. But so much for my amateur sociology.
>
> In effect the two terms described the same type and style of bike frame, but
> is interseting to note that Harry Rensch the maker of Paris bikes in Stoke
> Newington, London described his frames as *Path* models, while Bob Jackson,
> up in industrial Leeds described his as *Track *ones. Somewhere in the
> middle of the country Mercian used the term* Track. *There again, Condor and
> Hetchin in London preferred the word *Path*, and Hill Special in the murky
> nothern textile town of Padiham also, very surprisingly called his frames*Path
> *ones.Meanwhile David Rattray up in Scotland called his Flying Scot
> models*Path
> *ones, Buckley Bros in London preferred *Path* too, but Pennine in Bradford,
> LH Brookes in Manchester, both up north, used* Track*, as did Bates of
> London and Les Ephgrave, also in London. Sitting on the fence in the debate
> was Sandy Holdsworth, also of London who referred to his Zephyr frame as
> being..wait for it...*Track, Path and Road.*
>
> No English builder that I know of or any of the thousands of cyclits whom I
> have kniown have ever used the term

Jon Spangler Writer/editor Linda Hudson Writing

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Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:49 -0700 From: frederic durrette <saint09@bellsouth.net> Subject: [CR] randonneur handlebars To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <789613.85599.qm@web180408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Okay guys. This may be one of those stupid questions, but I recently acquired a vintage GB randonneur handlebar. Would this be appropriate for building up a vintage road bike or are they more appropriate for a bike with touring geometry? Since all my experience has been?in racing, mostly crits, I've not researched much into this type of handlebar. Any pros or cons? ??? Fred Durrette ??? Summerville, SC

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Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:25:35 -0700 From: donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca> Subject: Re: [CR] 1966 Paramount P14 To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: seaneee175@gmail.com Message-ID: <20091026222535.70FFD19D8D@ug6.ece.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain

I have a stock 1967 Carlton Flyer "rescue" bike, except it was missing its front wheel when I got it.  Anyway, it's a very similar year and model and it was/is nearly stock.

- Frame SN# is 1967 (Bnnnn) - 151 BCD crankset, 44-52 - Record front derailleur with a cable-stop - Record steel rear derailleur - 5-speed freewheel, I think it's a TDC. - Record downtube shifters with cadmium (very dark) plates - 'No Record' campagnolo hubs, dated 1967 with steel rims. - Record 'No <C>' steel headset (this is typical, imho, on 60's bikes) - Weinmann 610 brakes with vertically serratted QRs; riveted caliper pivots - Steel Record pedals with toe-strap loops - brooks regular pro saddle (I don't think team pro was out yet ...) - GB 'red 90' stem with raised bump for the 'R-nut' expander bolt.   and drilled for a centerpull brake.

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/p4240476.jpg

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA, USA

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