The adhesive on the "Made in Japan" stickers was clearly defective. They consistantly fell off during assembly "back in the day"
Frankly the finish work on the Japanese bikes was often a LOT better than the English built, so really nothing to be ashamed of.
Cheers on a cold evening in Dallas, TX, USA, earth Clyde "the devil is in the decals" Putman
________________________________________ From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of marcus.e.helman@gm.com [marcus.e.helman@gm.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:49 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
I am not trying to be a smart-aleck, but I would expect that a Japanese Raleigh would have a "Made in Japan" sticker. My 1981 Raleigh Gran Sport (gas pipe tubing, far different from a Grand Sport) has one. Also the heron headbadge only says "The Raleigh" It does not say Nottingham or England.
Not a Raleigh expert by any means, Marcus Helman Detroit, MI
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Thanks everyone - Sounds like there is no sure way of identifying a Japanese made Raleigh comp gs. So it goes. .. the bike i will view tomorrow is assessed by the owner - who has been in the bike business as a shop owner and back then a Raleigh-dealer - since 1971 -- believes the bike is a Nottingham product. However, and at the same time, he freely admits that for some many years Raleigh did what it had to do to ship a bike - components being traded freely between models, etc. -
The bike says Raleigh Comp GS - it's black, has Campy stuff and has a 531 label - I might just go for it! If, in the end, it does not ride like a wishy-washy, shock-absorbing (hey, i am a former c-dale pilot) double-butted 531 frame - then at least i got some cool campy bits!-
thanks everyone - i'll keep you possted!!
Damien
<droohr@comcast.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:09:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
Hi all,
Not too long ago, I bought a Raleigh frame (ebay), thinking it was a Competition model. It has Nervex lugs, the classic Raleigh head badge, the classic '70's elegant long rake fork, half chrome front and back, but it has Suntour drop-outs. I cannot find the frame number pattern on any of the sites dating frames by the number.
The seller listed it as a 56 cm, but it is a 58 - too big. It is still a very nice frame even if a bit of a mystery. I would appreciate any feed back.
Cheers from "sunny" 8'' + Manchester NH
Tony Taylor
From: Andrew R Stewart <onetenth@earthlink.net> To: damien roohr <droohr@comcast.net>; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:44:03 AM Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
Damien- For any one who is familiar with the English Raleigh bikes spotting a Japanese version is easy. They look kind of like the English ones but the details are slightly off. Clumsier lug lining but with more consistent frame paint being the start of the visuals differences. My memory is too dim to recall if the drop outs were different but I think so. Also dim is the change from Euro but non Campy components, to Campy GS (with the three arm crank) then to the Campy GS with the 5 arm crank. I sure others will be more detailed in the comparison.
----- Original Message ----- From: "damien roohr" < droohr@comcast.net > To: < classicrendezvous@bikelist.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
>
> Hi everyone,
> By way of introduction I have been racing bicycles for about 25 years in
New England, not so much the past 5 years, and as for results, solidly
mediocre. I cut my riding and racing teeth on a 1974 Raleigh Super Course
Mk II (green and white) which I am still kicking myself for getting rid of
- although I have the Normandy hubs and Huret Jubilee DRs on my desk as
conversation pieces). Of late have been developing a keen interest in
acquiring and refurbishing a vintage ride. Here is my question:
>
> Was the Raleigh Competition GS ever manufactured in Japan? I am pretty
certain through the 1970s they were made only in England - so I am
concerned with 1980, 81, 82. I do not have a serial number to reference at
this time - so if some were made in Japan and some not, does anyone know
how one could tell the difference?
>
> I am considering acquiring a 1981 with full GS components - and it says
"Carlton" on the seat tube. But I really want to invest in an England-made
frame for this project. Thanks in advance - you guys (meaning everyone)
are great!
>
> Damien Roohr
> Canton CT
> 1999 Klein Quantum Pro
> 1982 Schwinn Traveler fixie conversion
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