Long live the Brothel and its name and its T shirt. Send me 10 of em' I will wear them proudly. PC be damned. Man up and wear it with gusto.
Jack
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> 1. "Bisbee Bike Brothel" (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 2. Bisbee Bicycle Brothel (Pat Moffat)
> 3. Donald Milberger proprietor of the Bicycle Shop in
> Concord, Ca and also principal in Bicycle Research (Ken Wehrenberg)
> 4. sexy wheels on Ann Arbor Craigslist (Derek Vandeberg)
> 5. Re: SAN DIEGO VINTAGE RIDE SUNDAY (Mike Rathwell)
> 6. Re: "Bisbee Bike Brothel" (Putman, Clyde)
> 7. Re: Masi -The Color Purple (brianbaylis@juno.com)
> 8. tubular tire recommendation? (jvs@sonic.net)
> 9. Re: sexy wheels on Ann Arbor Craigslist (KvnMuadib@aol.com)
> 10. Gitane Drop outs (Lane Wilkinson)
> 11. Masi -The Color Purple (Mark Petry)
> 12. Restored Cinelli photos: thanks to you all! (carb7008@cs.com)
> 13. tubular tire recommendation? (jvs@sonic.net)
> 14. WTB Campy french thread b.b. cups (jvs@sonic.net)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:06:40 -0500
> From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
> Subject: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel"
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <8CC4EFDE958FFEF-2B88-FBEA@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> Well, this is a classic response from me... I sort of see both sides of
> this.
>
> When Ken first discovered and adopted the old building in Bisbee for his
> bike shop cum-museum, naming it the Bike Brothel, I thought is was rib
> tickling funny and cool!
>
> Ken is such a style man, always does things so well and tastefully, I
> thought it was a way neat idea. Then by the time he moved out of that old
> house of ill repute and into the most recent location, the name was
> permanent, even if the reason became less directly applicable. His
> collection and display is so awesome that his little 'den of iniquity' was
> destined for fame...
>
> I was lucky to get one of the very first of the Tee shirts and donned it
> gleefully.
>
> But..... I slowly discovered that outside the circle of
> insiders-and-chuckling-old-vintage-bike-guys, it was not so easy to wear
> that shirt! I am around kids and customers and womenfolk all of whom
> just-don't-get-it! The world I uncomfortably find myself living in is that
> of a 60+ year old guy who is no longer Mr. rock and roll! My wife's family
> for instance does not think this garment's image & connotation is absolutely
> hilarious around the their pre-teen girls! Imagine that? And I am not crazy
> about how suddenly, in the Pop culture, some people are sort of legitimizing
> and going public with pornography, "Hos" in music videos, and all that sort
> of mess. Seems sort of bad taste and unseemly. All of a sudden, having once
> thought of myself as a bit of a firebrand and even wild at times person, I
> am not crazy about all this vulgar stuff! Where does that put the Bicycle
> Brothel? It's certainly not the same, but enough to cause me to be a tiny
> bit conflicted about it!
>
> So.... I love Ken and his place, both are really unique and splendid, but I
> am not expecting everyone to buy into celebrating the name or the darker
> part of our shared history. Everything in it's place...
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Sanders <tom@orderandchaos.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 2:15 pm
> Subject: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?
>
>
> I move that when Dale and Ken agree we rename the list the Classic
> Rendezvous Bike Brothel.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:11:24 -0700
> From: Pat Moffat <rocketman_531@msn.com>
> Subject: [CR] Bisbee Bicycle Brothel
> To: Classicrendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <SNT124-DS1231DBDD64057F8460FB4FCB840@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> If you ride your bike into Bisbee from the west, you make a long, fairly
> steep climb to a tunnel at the top of Mule Pass. It's a screaming decent
> into Bisbee, and when you pull your face up off the handlebar to slow down,
> the town flashes by through the trees, and it's easy to lose concentration
> because all you want to do is drink in the sights. You roll down through
> Tombstone Canyon and wind through town, and it is quickly evident that there
> aren't many towns like Bisbee. It's a town that, above all else, celebrates
> it's colorful past.
>
> If you stay, you might have lunch with old miners who like to eat burritos
> at the local eatery. Hang out in the park, and you'll likely share space
> with some badass bikers, some kids, a couple of art queens. Artists,
> retirees, big city refugees. Shop owners, transients, gangsters. 5th
> generation families. They all live there. It's one of the most diverse
> little towns you will ever visit, and they all live in relative harmony.
>
> The name of the bike shop just fits. The name wouldn't work in Tucson, but
> in Bisbee, it beats the heck out of something like "Ken's Bike Shop".
>
> If you ever get to Bisbee and forget to bring a bike, I'm sure that Ken will
> let you sleep with one of his beautiful bikes. It could be a memorable
> evening.
>
> Pat Moffat
> Tempe Arizona USA Heading off to Bisbee soon to celebrate the new
> year, chat with old friends.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:44:57 -0600
> From: Ken Wehrenberg <wnwires@htc.net>
> Subject: [CR] Donald Milberger proprietor of the Bicycle Shop in
> Concord, Ca and also principal in Bicycle Research
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <7776944A-1F4B-4869-8A24-EB03816C9F48@htc.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> I remember seeing a picture of a Don Milberger custom frame in, I
> think, an old Bike World. Very thin lugs a la Eisentraut or Kvale,
> blind allen key seat lug, dark metallic paint, cantilevers or
> centerpulls as I recall. A great early example of frame art/
> engineering from the emerging American school of framebuilding and
> design.
>
> Love to have one of those,
>
> Ken Wehrenberg, Hermann, MO USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:04:20 -0700
> From: Derek Vandeberg <derek@frameref.com>
> Subject: [CR] sexy wheels on Ann Arbor Craigslist
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <C0BCF865A537402494436EAF5759B37D@frameref>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Early hard silver Assos rims on 28 hole Pelessier hubs - nice light wheels
> for you skinny guys. I emailed the seller for more details: 126mm rear
> spacing, minimal miles, no problem shipping them wherever. I've always been
> a big fan of Assos rims, and you don't see too many of this model - it's far
> less common than the later dark anodized 16mm and 18mm versions. Don't
> imagine the black spokes are period correct, but that's an easy fix. I
> was going to grab these for myself, but they're a little too light for my
> 210 lbs., I fear. No relation to the seller.
>
>
>
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/
>
>
>
> Happy Holidays, all -
>
> Derek Vandeberg
>
> Bigfork, Montana
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:07:04 -0500
> From: Mike Rathwell <mikkrat@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] SAN DIEGO VINTAGE RIDE SUNDAY
> To: <sterling@tns.net>, classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY121-W51689950462E3D8CFFABD5AC840@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> Hello San Diego
>
>
>
> I cant tell you the memories and the desire of how I could join you. Living
> in western Canada in the eighties and making a trip 2 or 3 times per year to
> San Diego. Boxing up my Rossin (checking it on the flight when it was no
> extra charge) and spending a week in southern Calf....paradise, when
> escaping the cold of Alberta when at -35c things slow down to a crawl. Oh
> the memories, before kids, a wife (now ex) That seems like so long ago, but
> I can still smell the ocean and feel the warmth of the sun. Hear the hum of
> chain, sweat off the tip of nose, the exhilaration you feel when a 100k is
> in .... a shower, a few "pops".
>
> Ah the memories, I'll be with you in spirit....not riding the same Rossin,
> but one "restored" to close to the 83'
>
>
>
> Mike Rathwell
>
> Waterford Ont. Canada
>
> presently -5c...28F
>
>
>
>
>> From: sterling@tns.net
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:53:59 -0500
>> Subject: [CR] SAN DIEGO VINTAGE RIDE SUNDAY
>>
>> The San Diego Vintage Bike club is holding a ride to the Point Loma
>> Lighthouse this Sunday, December, 20th. Meet at Balboa Park in front of
>> the
>> Automobile museum. Ride leaves the parking lot at 10:00 AM. We?ll stop in
>> Little Italy for lunch at the usual spot (a nice Italian deli with
>> sidewalk
>> dining).
>> Link to ride Map?
>> http://www.mapmyride.com/
>> Hope to see everyone there.
>> Sterling Peters
>> San Diego
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:32:59 -0600
> From: "Putman, Clyde" <cputman@mail.smu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel"
> To: "oroboyz@aol.com" <oroboyz@aol.com>,
> "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <78F73DAE2483A747AD0E4A3BE57169DA270BE8FB38@SXMBXA.systems.smu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sounds like we need a Bisbee B.B. shirt!
>
> Cheers from
> Dallas Tx. Usa E.
> -Clyde "ever discreet' Putman
>
> ________________________________________
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of oroboyz@aol.com
> [oroboyz@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel"
>
> Well, this is a classic response from me... I sort of see both sides of
> this.
>
> When Ken first discovered and adopted the old building in Bisbee for his
> bike shop cum-museum, naming it the Bike Brothel, I thought is was rib
> tickling funny and cool!
>
> Ken is such a style man, always does things so well and tastefully, I
> thought it was a way neat idea. Then by the time he moved out of that old
> house of ill repute and into the most recent location, the name was
> permanent, even if the reason became less directly applicable. His
> collection and display is so awesome that his little 'den of iniquity' was
> destined for fame...
>
> I was lucky to get one of the very first of the Tee shirts and donned it
> gleefully.
>
> But..... I slowly discovered that outside the circle of
> insiders-and-chuckling-old-vintage-bike-guys, it was not so easy to wear
> that shirt! I am around kids and customers and womenfolk all of whom
> just-don't-get-it! The world I uncomfortably find myself living in is that
> of a 60+ year old guy who is no longer Mr. rock and roll! My wife's family
> for instance does not think this garment's image & connotation is absolutely
> hilarious around the their pre-teen girls! Imagine that? And I am not crazy
> about how suddenly, in the Pop culture, some people are sort of legitimizing
> and going public with pornography, "Hos" in music videos, and all that sort
> of mess. Seems sort of bad taste and unseemly. All of a sudden, having once
> thought of myself as a bit of a firebrand and even wild at times person, I
> am not crazy about all this vulgar stuff! Where does that put the Bicycle
> Brothel? It's certainly not the same, but enough to cause me to be a tiny
> bit conflicted about it!
>
> So.... I love Ken and his place, both are really unique and splendid, but I
> am not expecting everyone to buy into celebrating the name or the darker
> part of our shared history. Everything in it's place...
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Sanders <tom@orderandchaos.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 2:15 pm
> Subject: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?
>
>
> I move that when Dale and Ken agree we rename the list the Classic
> Rendezvous Bike Brothel.
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:34:05 +0000
> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Masi -The Color Purple
> To: <cyclo_one@verizon.net>
> Cc: NHell39123@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <20091219.143405.17277.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
>
> Mike and Norman,
>
> That's not quite correct. The color I created for Masi was the "California
> Burgandy" color. The pearlized flamboyent purple that Masi used was created
> by Masi painter Jim Allen. That color can still be reproduced; buy maybe not
> for much longer.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Michael Allison <cyclo_one@verizon.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: Norm Hellman <NHell39123@aol.com>
> Subject: [CR] Masi -The Color Purple
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:45:54 -0500
>
>
>
> Norm Hellman wrote "To All Masiphiles: Does anyone know who was
> responsible for picking that
> beautiful metallic purple found on later Masi bikes? Is this color
> still available?"
>
> Norm et al:
>
> That was the creation of Brian Baylis who was asked by the Cal Masi
> factory to come up with a new color. If I remember my conversation
> correctly, he said it was created by using two layers of paint. So
> Brian can you help us out?
>
> Michael Allison
> New York, NY
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:15:20 -0800
> From: <jvs@sonic.net>
> Subject: [CR] tubular tire recommendation?
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <5045.68.122.69.144.1261264520.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'm building up my Italvega S.S. with tubular wheels. I must be crazy.
> I swore off tubulars in the early 80's, but here I am seeking suggestions
> on a good tubular, 25 mm in width, reasonably priced, good wear, and
> available.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:25:57 -0500
> From: <KvnMuadib@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] sexy wheels on Ann Arbor Craigslist
> To: <derek@frameref.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <d38.5f8957c0.385ebb05@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> hi,i have a set f campy first gen. campy athena hubs laced to nisi mixer
> rims that are very attractive alloy sidewalls and the spoke flat is a black
> anodized or epoxy paint finish i think...anyways to cut to the chase i
> would like to tip in at 210 again (218) but have even been a bit
> heavier(eek)
> and had no problems with the wheels.i don't know your riding style but i
> imagine they could work for you. if only i could get good and sick and not
> eat for a month i might even see 195 once more....wouldn't want the big
> heart
> attack thing again...just my two cents worth and then some...happy
> holidays to all !!!!!!!!!!!
> kevin ruberg howell nj. usa
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2009 4:04:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> derek@frameref.com writes:
>
> Early hard silver Assos rims on 28 hole Pelessier hubs - nice light wheels
> for you skinny guys. I emailed the seller for more details: 126mm rear
> spacing, minimal miles, no problem shipping them wherever. I've always
> been
> a big fan of Assos rims, and you don't see too many of this model - it's
> far
> less common than the later dark anodized 16mm and 18mm versions. Don't
> imagine the black spokes are period correct, but that's an easy fix. I
> was going to grab these for myself, but they're a little too light for my
> 210 lbs., I fear. No relation to the seller.
>
>
>
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/
>
>
>
> Happy Holidays, all -
>
> Derek Vandeberg
>
> Bigfork, Montana
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:32:35 -0800
> From: Lane Wilkinson <shellylane@comcast.net>
> Subject: [CR] Gitane Drop outs
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <1D7695E7-54CF-4C1D-992D-FA21D950EF2B@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Does anyone have information on the "honeycomb" style rear drop outs
> that are used on some of the 70's era Gitanes? Who made these drop
> outs? Were they used on specific models?
> Thanks,
> Lane Wilkinson
> Seattle, WA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:35:29 -0800
> From: Mark Petry <mark@petry.org>
> Subject: [CR] Masi -The Color Purple
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <036501ca8103$f397fe70$dac7fb50$@org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have a Wizard painted by Brian Baylis in year 1999. It is the purple-est
> purple I have ever seen, really sort of a dark eggplant in many photographs,
> but when you get it out in the sun it's about 2 feet deep. I remember
> asking Brian for "laser purple" and he got it right. Many people comment on
> this gorgeous bike. 10 years on it still looks fantastic.
>
>
>
> I think this color is even a step beyond the Masi purple, which I've seen on
> some 3Vs.
>
>
>
> Mark Petry
>
> Bainbridge Island, Wa
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:00:24 -0500
> From: <carb7008@cs.com>
> Subject: [CR] Restored Cinelli photos: thanks to you all!
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <102a5.1f68d90e.385ec318@cs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> These terms, restoration and patina, trouble me no end. I think everyone
> has had a say (ad infinitum) as to their definition of restoration. Mine is
> the minimum required to restore a bike to an acceptable level of condition
> as determined by the owner.
>
> Now patina...I don't know. According to definitions 1 & 2: A green film
> on copper/bronze & a surface appearance that is more beautiful with age.
> The
> objective definition would most typically only apply to copper saddle
> rivets and brass headbadges. The subjective, beautiful...is in the
> beholder's
> eye.
>
> So, does this mean that polishing (using mild abrasives to clean surface) a
> decades-old original finish, whether chrome-plate, oxidized Al or paint, is
> a no-no? If one looks at the weathered (to be kind) finishes of some
> Golden Age Book bikes, it appears better not to touch. Yet, it is well
> known
> that polishing also removes contaminants that may be harmful to original
> finishes, esp oxidized paint and rust. Is a rust speck a sign of character
> or a
> blemish to be eradicated?
>
> Perhaps it depends on the bike? Museum pieces probably best left
> "as-found". A Varsinental...do whatever. Bikes in-between, that's where
> the
> conflict presents itself.
>
> Jack Romans
> Sacramento, California
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:23:31 -0800
> From: <jvs@sonic.net>
> Subject: [CR] tubular tire recommendation?
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <24652.68.122.69.144.1261268611.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks for the tire suggestions y'all. Another q.......anyone have
> experience or feedback on the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix? Looks like a
> nice fat comfy tire.
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:28:59 -0800
> From: <jvs@sonic.net>
> Subject: [CR] WTB Campy french thread b.b. cups
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <24477.68.122.69.144.1261268939.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> yep, that's right. The French sickness continues. If anyone has a set
> of Campagnolo french thread b.b. cups they would care to sell, I would
> like to buy. New not necessary. My stash is small but I'm open to
> trades also.
>
> Much obliged.
>
> Jay (sloooow in the shop today) Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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