I was just checking out the NAHBS photos that Ray Dobbins sent me.=0A=0AThe re's really a lot happening out there at the moment, new ideas, but also ol d ones reinterpreted :=0A=0Ahttp://picasaweb.google.com/flyingdutchman63/NA HBS2009FavPics#5308792388977584450=0A=0Aand=0A=0Ahttp://www.reneherse.com/i mages/3_2744.jpg (c. 1900 Elvish)=0A=0AOR =0A=0Ahttp://picasaweb.google.c om/flyingdutchman63/NAHBS2009FavPics#5308793091750859938=0A=0Aand=0A=0Ahttp ://www.reneherse.com/images/Hurtu_-_cyclotourisme_-_DSCN0009.JPG=0A=0AOR =0A=0Ahttp://picasaweb.google.com/flyingdutchman63/NAHBS2009FavPics#5308794 833626714706=0A=0Aand=0A=0Ahttp://www.reneherse.com/images/schott1726web.jp g=0A=0AThat's just the most obvious ones, you could go on and on.=0A=0AI'm amazed at how many builders there now are of steel hand-builts in the US, w ith so few now left in France.=0A=0ATo my personal taste, some of the colou r schemes and lugwork are a bit overstated, but it's all so much more inter esting than the mass-produced carbon stuff. I don't know what the relative prices are, but I guess a hand-built is far more expensive.=0A=0AAlexander March=0ABordeaux=0AFrance=0A=0APS : I expect the links above will get cut, you'll need to cut and paste...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A