Amen Brother. It's all about the comfort zone (whatever that zone is -- it's up to each one of us to decide).-----Original Message-----From: r7glm@aol.comTo: tobitlinke@hotmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; R7Glm@aol.comSent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:03 amSubject: Re: [CR] acceptable updates to classic bikes? was:shoes and cleatsI probably should have included this in my original post, as to meall of this comes down to is what each person is comfortable with, as there are certainly no fast rules as to what is "classic". Just as with the classic car note, there are degrees of what is "classic" (I'llbet there are a few '64 Alfa Romeo Spiders otherwise original but withradial tires) . I would say a "true classic" is something that is all original, no new paint, parts, or tires, and probably not ridable in many cases. Then there are "100 point restorations" such as what Richard Sachs did a fewyears ago with his Masi - trying to bring the bike as close as possible to original for a specific time period. And of course there is everythingin between: original frame but NOS or other parts; new paint but original parts, and on and on...everyone has a different take, especially if you actually want to ride the bike, or it's display only. And how do we bring in the bikes of the NAHBS (or some of those at the Cirque forthat matter),20which certainly has a huge following here, if we are talking "classic"? Many old school takes but with a modern twist. Bottom line is that we all appreciate the "classic" bike and riding them, and that's what matters. There's room for all.Rex GilmoreVienna, VA-----Original Message-----From: tobit linke <tobitlinke@hotmail.com>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.orgSent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 9:58 amSubject: [CR] acceptable updates to classicbikes? was:shoes and cleatsf you make an exception for clipless pedals on classic bikes,hat else is acceptable?there've been numerous other advances in bicycle technology.Some of my favourites are:lincherslastic toeclips (Christophe road style) and bottle cagesP bottlesed lightsub generatorsngle-adjustable brake padsa friend is a big fan of index shifting.i'd still say that using any of them would reduce the level of classicnessf a bike.hile this makes my bikes rate relatively low on the classicness scale,still come here for the discussion of classic bikes and parts,ot for tuning tips on how to get my old bike to perform like a contemporarone.if classic bikes meant doing whatever you want to an old frame,e'd be discussing fixed gear conversions.Tobit Linke, Dortmund, Germany________________________________________________________________ore than messages\u2013check out the rest of the Windows Live\u2122.ttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/-- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---ultipart/alternativetext/plain (text body -- kept)text/html--______________________________________________lassicrendezvous mailing listlassicrendezvous@bikelist.orgttp://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous