Re: [CR] vintage frame size question

(Example: Framebuilders)

From: "aldoross4" <aldoross4@siscom.net>
To: Ken Freeman <kenfreeman096@gmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:31:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR] vintage frame size question


Don't forget that geometry and design varied over time. For me, the older the bike, the larger the frame size I need.

According to modern formulae I need a 51.5cm c-c modern bike. I add 1-2 cms for 1980s, 2-3 cms for 1970s, 3-4 cms for 1960s, 4 cms for 1940s-1950s.

If I bought a 51.5cm bike from the 1950s it would be WAY too small to be comfortable. I made that mistake with a 1960 Atala, 1968 Paramount, 1972 Atala, and 1973 Legnano.

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Ken Freeman <kenfreeman096@gmail.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] vintage frame size question
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:15:12 -0400


> You need to know your cycling inseam, not your trouser

> inside-leg. This number gets multiplied by 2/3, to get

> your frame size. My inseam is 81.8 centimeters (32.2

> inches). Multiplying, the frame size is 54.5 centimeters

> (21.5 inches). This length is compared to the seat tube

> length center to center. That's the basic frame sizing

> approach. This approach generates a size that is at the

> large end for me, but that's probably more correct for a

> vintage bike.

>

> The other attributes of bike and frame fitting are still

> significant, but they are still secondary to saddle

> height.

>

> Ken Freeman

> Ann Arbor, MI USA

>

> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM, James Doolittle <

> JDoolittle@bentwaterclub.com> wrote:

>

> > I am a rider, not a collector or mechanic. I was fit in

> > my mid twenties by a man who was in his 70's at the time

> > , Ceasar Moretti Jr. He was a six day racer in the

> > 1930's thru the 1950's. This was over 30 years ago. He

> got it right. I'm 57 years young now and that frame size

> > is still what fits the best. Over the years I've always

> > had at the minimum two bikes and as many as seven at one

> > time. Almost all within the CR timeline. Like many on

> > the list, I've crashed, had stolen, been given by teams,

> > bought as junk or from the most reputable shop many,

> many bikes over the years. I've experimented with sizes

> > as much as 3 centimeters one way or the other and always

> > sold those bikes. A couple were very impressive bikes

> > that anyone in their right mind might have kept, but

> > they never felt right. The key is to stick with your

> best fit. Happy riding! >

> > James Doolittle

> > Spring, Texas - where the dogwoods and redbuds are

> > blooming in the forest!, Texas

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org

> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On

> > Behalf Of Robert Goughary

> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:34 PM

> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

> > Subject: [CR] vintage frame size question

> >

> >

> >

> > This is a good one for all you with more experience than

> > me - particularly those of you that have built frames or

> > sized people up in shops, etc...

> >

> > when buying a vintage frame sight-unseen, how do you

> > know if the frame will fit? Not - what would be the

> > perfect fit - but let's say you run across a Richard

> > Sachs from the seventies and the only thing you know is

> seatpost height - what do you do? >

> > I am 5'11" or so - normal build and size - how do i know

> > what are the fitting extremes? - what is to small, way

> > too small and too big and way too big? Example - can a

> > 6' guy fit on a 54" frame? Or a 60cm? (seatpost C-C)

> >

> > I have a couple bikes that fit - so i'm more concerned

> > about the random find online or maybe at a flea market,

> etc... >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Rob Goughary

> > Stamford, CT USA

> >

> >

> >

> >

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