I have the Hozan tool:
It's about half the price of a VAR, and the jaws are interchangeable with VAR, and in fact I have several VAR jaws for it, as VAR offers more sizes. The only fixed cup I failed to remove with it was a Stronglight Competition on a Peugeot PY-10, actually a German-market model roughly equivalent to PY-10. After trying on and off for a couple of months, I finally discovered that the cup was Swiss, and I had been turning the wrong way. There was no marking to indicate the Swiss thread. Turning the right way, the cup came out without undue trouble.
Moral is, Swiss thread can occasionally be found on French as well as Swiss bikes. This is the only Swiss threaded Peugeot I have seen, but Motobecane used Swiss thread quite a bit for a few years.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
> From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CR] the best fixed cup tool
> To: "tobit linke" <tobitlinke@hotmail.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:40 AM
> I always use a Campy one on fixed cups which are Campy sized
> - the jaws are much harder than the Var but the Var comes in
> handy for non Campy sizes though I have only one other jaw
> size. For really non standard fixed cups I use an English
> made tool that does not not have jaws but relies on friction
> to grip the cup - I used one of these for years before
> getting the Campy and Var tools and I have never not managed
> to get a cup out with one of these. Before that I used a
> home made version of the same tool with a long 16mm headed
> bolt with two nuts to grip the cup. That also never
> failed... But the Campy and Var tools do make the job a lot
> easier. With the 16mm bolt method a lot of force was needed
> to clamp the cuup between the two nuts and then again to
> remove the cup from the tool after it had been removed. Tacx
> also made (and perhaps still does) an economy version of the
> Campy/Var tools and used carefully works well too.
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles
>
> tobit linke wrote:
> > I'd consider the shop type fixed cup tools (Campy,
> VAR, Cobra - which are the ones I've used) functionally
> equal for standard -normal torque/36mm cup- applications.
> >
> > The big advantage of the VAR seems to be the huge
> range of sizes for the tool insert:
> > 16.1, 35.1, 35.5, 36.1, 36.8, 37.8 and 38.1mm are
> available to this day.
> >
> > The distinguishing feature of the Campag - aside from
> being pretty- are the flattened sides of the cylinder,
> > which allow you to mount the tool in a vise and turn
> the frame.
> > This makes the use of extentions on the handle
> unecessary and thus prevents bent
> > handles (which I've seen on both VAR and Campa
> models in shop use).
> >
> > Tobit Linke, Dortmund, Germany
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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