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Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 08:36:35 +0100
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re:eddy merckx bike for sale

hi hillary,very interested in the bike,i live in caernarfon north wales,could you please contact me to discuss 01286831579 eve 01286831055 work 07899937939 anytime

thank you malcolm(cipolinni)
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. For Sale Eddy Merckx TSX bike, Marastoni frame w/Campy PR
> ends, shoes, Strata bars, GS pedals and more (Hilary Stone)
> 2. S.W. Cotten Decal Question.... (Sadiq Gill)
> 3. Re: black annodised alloy bolt request (Wayne Davidson)
> 4. Re: S.W. Cotten Decal Question.... (Dale Brown)
> 5. Re: Proper Restoration vs. Date Codes ? (donald gillies)
> 6. 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues" (sandranian)
> 7. FOR SALE: Velox bar end plugs - White (Jay Dubiel)
> 8. Nuovo Tipo (Randolph Blatt)
> 9. French Pedal Question (Steve Maus)
> 10. Re: Campy BB cups and other Questions (Cycleguyjack66@aol.com)
> 11. Re: 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues" (ternst)
> 12. Re: French Pedal Question (DTSHIFTER@aol.com)
> 13. Re: 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues" (ternst)
>
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:03:11 +0100
>From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
>Subject: [CR] For Sale Eddy Merckx TSX bike, Marastoni frame w/Campy
> PR ends, shoes, Strata bars, GS pedals and more
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <49FB476F.5090707@blueyonder.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed
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>Hi everyone,
>
>Offered for sale to CR members are a couple more frames and parts mostly
>from the 70s and 80s. Frames cost 75 GBP to be sent to the USA. I can
>take payment a number of ways - Paypal, cheque in GBP, cash sent
>registered post, Traveller?s cheques in $ etc.
>Enquire for shipping costs. With the pound being low in value these are
>a real bargain... for US buyers. All have pictures you can check out on
>Photobucket.
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles
>
>EDDY MERCKX TSX 56cm c1989 C-Record Delta brakes Stunning
>Offered for sale is a lovely 56cm ctc c1989 Eddy Merckx road bicycle
>in excellent condition. Top tube length is 56cm ctc and rear dropout
>width is 126mm. It is built from Columbus YSX tubing according to the
>factory. This bicycle has been completely repainted and rechromed. The
>equipment is all Campagnolo C-Record from about 1989 - many items have
>been panto?d with the Eddy Merckx logo and also with the original
>owner?s name. They are are all in excellent condition. 645 GBP ono
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Merckx-C-Record. jpg
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Merckx-C-Record- dets.jpg
>
>MARASTONI ROAD FRAME for Campy Paris-Roubaix gear c1951
>Seat Tube (ctc) : 51cm
>Top Tube (ctc): 54cm
>Wheel size: Sprints/700C
>Rear dropout width: 116mm
>Bottom bracket threads: Italian
>Seatpost size 26.8mm
>This is a rather beautiful and unusual frame which is equipped with
>Campy Paris-Roubaix dropouts - these are completely original and
>undamaged - the version of the P-R dropout with the hanger is in the
>1952 Campy catalogue. It also has original internal routing for the rear
>brake cable. Both the down tube and top tube have a dent but these are
>really not serious. Campag Paris-Roubaix gears are findable so this
>should be a great project. 145 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Marastoni-P-R.jpg
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Marastoni-P-R-dets- dets.jpg
>
>BLACK AND BROWN LEATHER CYCLE SHOES 1950s Approx UK 8.5 US 9 Conti 43
>These are a really nice pair of leather cycle shoes from the 1950s with
>soft black and brown leather. Size wise they seem to be about a UK 8.5,
>US 9 or continental 43. They have recently had a rubber sole attached
>over the leather sole and are ready for wearing. 35 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Blackbrown-shoes. jpg
>
>BLACK MULTI-PERFORATED RACE SHOES 1950s Approx UK 8.5 US 9 Conti 43
>These are a really nice pair of leather cycle shoes from the 1950s with
>black leather perforated with many small holes - they have a metal cleat
>attached to their soles. Size wise they seem to be about a UK 8.5, US 9
>or continental 43. They have recently had a rubber sole attached over
>the leather sole and are ready for wearing. 30 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Leather-race-shoes. jpg
>
>STRATA TOURING BARS
>Strata was a small British company that was a rival to GB in the early
>post-war years. These bars have a relatively shallow drop (about
>4.25in), shallow forward reach (about 3.5in) and are 7/8in in diameter.
>Clamp area is approx 24mm in diameter. I do not know what these bars
>were called but they are very attractive. 45 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Strata-touring- bars.jpg
>
>CAMPAGNOLO RECORD 53T 3/32in CHAINRING 151mm bcd NOS
>Offered for sale is an excellent NOS Campagnolo Record 53t 3/32in
>chainring with 151mm bcd from the 1960s. NOS Campy chainrings to fit
>151mm bcd cranks are really rather rare. 30 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Campag-151-53T- ring.jpg
>
>CAMPAGNOLO GRAN SPORT PEDALS 2nd Pattern c1958 O-ring
>Offered for sale are a good pair of Campagnolo Gran Sport pedals from
>c1958. The threads are British and are short for use with early Record
>chainsets which had blanking caps on the reverse end of the pedal
>threads. The spindles have O-ring seals rather than the reverse threads
>used on later Campag pedals. These pedals are really rather rare though
>the chrome plating is rather poor. 85 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Camapg-Gran-Sprt- 2nd-pat-pe.jpg
>
>MAFAC DURAL FORGE RACER BRAKE CALLIPERS 1950s/60s
>Offered for sale is a very good pair of Mafac Dural Forge Racer brake
>callipers from the 1950s/60s complete with all the fittings and straddle
>wires. 28 GBP
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Mafac-racer-dural- forge.jpg
>
>SHIMANO DURA-ACE BRAKE CALLIPERS 1970s
>Offered for sale is an excellent pair of Shimano Dura-Ace brake
>callipers dating from c1975 - they are nut fitting.
>http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Shimano-DA- callipers-70s-42.jpg
>
>GB FRONT WINGNUTS
>These will clean and polish very nicely. 30 GBP
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:18:24 -0400
>From: Sadiq Gill <sadiqgill@gmail.com>
>Subject: [CR] S.W. Cotten Decal Question....
>To: Classicrendezvous Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID:
> <c76dc510905011218l505d5dc1p3c3a516a07981b78@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
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>Greetings fellow two wheelers:
>
>I am having my SW Cotten repainted and am looking for either transfers, art,
>decals, pictures (really anything) to further the process. As I have come
>to appreciate the story, Sam Cotten's original frames were made in the UK
>under contract with Bill Hurlow. My guess is that the frames were fully
>painted and decaled before being shipped over. The design is a block script
>gothic lettering. Much of mine have faded or ben scratched off. The best
>images I have been able to locate so far are from John Pergolizzi's SW
>Cotten pictures on Wooljersey. I am not certain who bought that SW Cotten
>from John, but if they are a list member, some good JPG's of those would
>probably do the trick. John took some great decal pictures but the vantage
>is a bit off and although the JPG's reveal 95% of the decal structure,
>there is some information missing. John?
>
>--
>Sadiq Gill
>Richmond, Virginia
>US&A
>Latitude: 37.58
>Longitude: -77.51472
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:44:50 +1200
>From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
>Subject: Re: [CR] black annodised alloy bolt request
>To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <49FB5132.80103@xtra.co.nz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>Hi all, many thanx for all the good replies I've had, there sure is a
>lot of stuff out there, thou takes some looking thru all the websites,
>I've even found some stuff related to remote control toys, so as you can
>see, one sometimes needs to think outside the square...........wayne
>davidson invers NZ...........
>
>
>
>Wayne Davidson wrote:
>> Hi all, I'm on a project and the only items I cannot source here in NZ
>> are 4mm button headed or tapered head alloy bolts and nuts. Anyone got
>> a source for these?....regards wayne davidson in damp Invers NZ........
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:14:37 -0400
>From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR] S.W. Cotten Decal Question....
>To: <sadiqgill@gmail.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <8CB98C15949F3F4-14AC-A74@webmail-mh18.sysops.aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> You ought to try to hunt Sam Cotten and ask him if he has anything...
>He is in the broader LA area somewhere. Santa Monica IIRC...
>I talked with him a few (OK maybe 10-12) years ago, seemed like a nice fellow...
>
>
>
>
>
>Dale Brown
>Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sadiq Gill <sadiqgill@gmail.com>
>To: Classicrendezvous Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 3:18 pm
>Subject: [CR] S.W. Cotten Decal Question....
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>Greetings fellow two wheelers:
>
>I am having my SW Cotten repainted and am looking for either transfers, art,
>decals, pictures (really anything) to further the process. As I have come
>to appreciate the story, Sam Cotten's original frames were made in the UK
>under contract with Bill Hurlow. My guess is that the frames were fully
>painted and decaled before being shipped over. The design is a block script
>gothic lettering. Much of mine have faded or ben scratched off. The best
>images I have been able to locate so far are from John Pergolizzi's SW
>Cotten pictures on Wooljersey. I am not certain who bought that SW Cotten
>from John, but if they are a list member, some good JPG's of those would
>probably do the trick. John took some great decal pictures but the vantage
>is a bit off and although the JPG's reveal 95% of the decal structure,
>there is some information missing. John?
>
>--
>Sadiq Gill
>Richmond, Virginia
>US&A
>Latitude: 37.58
>Longitude: -77.51472
>_______________________________________________
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:19:33 -0700
>From: donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca>
>Subject: Re: [CR] Proper Restoration vs. Date Codes ?
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <20090501221933.54A8B19D8D@ug6.ece.ubc.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>I think many production bikes of the 1960's and 1970's used parts
>dated year #(N-1) for a year #N bicycle. So, when I have a choice in
>parts, I try to collect the #(N-1) parts for my #N year bicycle. I
>imagine that sometimes a bike with year #(N-1) used #(N-1) parts, but
>only at the end of the year, maybe.
>
>Examples (to support this thesis) in my collection include a
>mostly-original 1974 raleigh pro (missing the hubs), an original 1974
>raleigh international, and an all-original 1974 Schwinn Paramount. I
>also have an all-original 1970 raleigh international. The first three
>bikes had PAT 73 parts on them when I acquired them, and serial
>numbers for 1974 framesets. The 1970 bike had campy parts consistent
>with 1970/1969.
>
>In general I only worry about campy parts, but you might look at
>www.vintage-trek.com to find out how to get the dates for other parts
>(i.e. weinmann brakes and japanese stems, bars, and derailleurs.)
>
>I especially don't care about things you can't see without taking
>apart the bike or looking with a microscope, i.e. axle cones, BB
>spindles, BB liners, inner tubes, spoke heads, axles, washers, brake
>clamps, microadjusting seatpost bolts, etc.
>
>I try not to care about wear items like chains, axle cones, tires,
>tape, brake cables, brake cable housings (lined housings are safer),
>and brake pads (fresh modern pads are almost always superior to fresh
>NOS pads.)
>
>If you acquire original wear items like a Sedis chain you should
>probably just save it for display - and use modern stuff for riding
>the bike.
>
>I live near some very steep hills. Once upon a time I could not stop
>with some original campy brake pads. After that incident I keep all
>my keep brakes tuned up with modern parts to preserve my body and to
>preserve the bike for posterity.
>
>I like to protect original parts as follows
>
> - brake lever covers, made of rubber or plastic
> - fenders (to preserve the paint and decals)
> - crank arm plastic protective decals (www.vcgraphix.com)
> - clip-on chainstay protector
> - saddle cover (makes leaning the bike against a wall easier)
>
>- Don Gillies
>San Diego, CA, USA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:11 -0700
>From: sandranian <sandranian@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>To: Rendezvous Classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <514946.57691.qm@web83501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>I just purchased a c1960 Gitane with 650b wheels/rims. I replaced the tires, purchasing (from Harris Cyclery) a pair of new Panaracer 650b tires. However, they don't seem to set right in the rims, specially the rear (I don't think the front rim is a problem). The rear rim is a steel Rigida 650b rim (at least that's what's stamped into it). The problem is that the bead of the tire doesn't seem to want to fit all the way around: It almost appears a bit small for the wheel. What is the problem here? What is the fix? Can I "stretch" the bead at all?
>
>It all appears to be right, but just doesn't fit that way, even when inflated, it creates a "bump" (low) in the tire, but the rim is true (no hops).
>
>Stephan Andranian
>Costa Mesa, California USA
>www.GitaneUSA.com
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:15 -0400
>From: Jay Dubiel <zoomdog@pure.net>
>Subject: [CR] FOR SALE: Velox bar end plugs - White
>To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <49FB7EFF.2040903@pure.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>For Sale: VELOX bar end plugs in White. NOS! Photo and description can
>be found at this link:
>http://s517.photobucket.com/albums/u335/gypsybike/FOR%20SALE/? action=view&current=vwhitea.jpg
>
>$18.00 / pair, Shipping included. 2 Pair available.
>
>Jay Dubiel
>Halifax, VA USA
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:49:01 -0400
>From: Randolph Blatt <hirelevel@mindspring.com>
>Subject: [CR] Nuovo Tipo
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <F4B6D0F5907D4DDA88507B7DF17BFFB7@RandyPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
>Hi All,
>
> I just spent several hours cutting Regina Corsa 5 speed freewheel from a Campagnolo 'Nuovo' Tipo hubset I wanted to salvage. My freewheel was stripped where the tool would normally bite and I tried many ways to remove it. Nothing worked, so I (like a fool) took out my trusty Dremel and a carbide cutting disk and went to town. I cut off all the sprockets layer by layer until I got to the freewheel body which I put a wrench on and finally removed. Unfortunately, I cut into one of the bearing race covers and bent the other one in the process. I'm sure you're getting the picture now.... After I removed the body, I rushed into the bathroom and washed out my sinuses with salt water because I inhaled lots of vintage dust during my OCD inspired vintage freewheel removal frenzy. Then I jumped in the shower to get the remainder of the dust off of me. And now, here I am, clean as a whistle, wanting to jump to the rebuilding phase of these crappy hubs. Thanks in advance for listening to my ranting. If you happen to have two of these race covers please contact me. They are not the same size as the NR / SR cover / caps. I had a pair of those but they did not fit.
>
> Randy Blatt
> Raleigh, NC
> 919 522-8387
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:05:55 -0400
>From: Steve Maus <maus5@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [CR] French Pedal Question
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <A046442F96B54B359FA20DEF7B76A271@FamilyRoomHP>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Listers,
>
>I'm restoring a 1974/5 Motobecane Grand Record that came from the seller
>with pedals like this...
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/classicbicycleworkshop/
>
>...rather than the stock Atom 700's that were on the original I sold many
>years ago.
>
>Does anyone recognize this model? It's all alloy and says only 'Made in
>France' on the cage with no other markings. The axles are French threaded
>and the bearings are not ground, so it's a mid-level model.
>
>What I really need is a dust cap wrench; the caps are a bit larger than
>Campy with teeth of a finer pitch.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Steve Maus
>The Classic Bicycle Workshop
>Greenwood, IN
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:32:32 -0400
>From: <Cycleguyjack66@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR] Campy BB cups and other Questions
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <c48.332be83a.372ceea0@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
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>
>Guys,
>Though the axle lengths might be close to the same the taper and size of
>the "old" vs the "newer" are not compatible. I have seen many broken arms due
> too putting incorrect arms on in-correct BB's ect.
>None of the post Super Record/Pista/Nouvo fit post that era BB's correctly.
> Jack,
>Boston Ma. USA
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 5/1/2009 1:11:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
>Re: Campy BB cups and other Questions
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:03:53 -0700
>From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
>Subject: Re: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>To: <sandranian@yahoo.com>, Rendezvous Classic
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <CC8781A1C8E142068816A8A0D9596483@D8XCLL51>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Many tires may fit :snug" and have a low spot when the bead doesn't want to
>position itself correctly.
>While working as an inspector a the old chicago schwinn plant in the '50's,
>the assmbly line wheel & tire men had a brush and bottle of soap water which
>was very slippery when applied to the rim and the tire pressed over.
>When the hose pressure was applied, the tire almost always popped into place
>and rapid piece work was posible.
>We used liquid detergent in our shop and inflated tire with soap beteeen
>tire and rim so the obstreperous spot would assume the position sometimes
>with pressure alone or maybe the tire plier or giving it the 'ol palm and
>finger treatment.
>Give mit a shmier and sqveeze, baby, and zee vot happins!
>Every once in a while the guys wouldn't watch the bead and if it wasn't in
>the rim it would blowup, and off so fast with a loud boom or po!!
>Then the whole damn area would be full of the inside tube talcum powder, if
>you were too close you could speak but not hear for a minute or so and
>everyone within a yard or two would be full of tacum dust!
>Were we having fun or what?
>Ted Ernst
>Palos Verdes Estates
>CA USA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "sandranian" <sandranian@yahoo.com>
>To: "Rendezvous Classic" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:24 PM
>Subject: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>
>
>I just purchased a c1960 Gitane with 650b wheels/rims. I replaced the tires,
>purchasing (from Harris Cyclery) a pair of new Panaracer 650b tires.
>However, they don't seem to set right in the rims, specially the rear (I
>don't think the front rim is a problem). The rear rim is a steel Rigida 650b
>rim (at least that's what's stamped into it). The problem is that the bead
>of the tire doesn't seem to want to fit all the way around: It almost
>appears a bit small for the wheel. What is the problem here? What is the
>fix? Can I "stretch" the bead at all?
>
>It all appears to be right, but just doesn't fit that way, even when
>inflated, it creates a "bump" (low) in the tire, but the rim is true (no
>hops).
>
>Stephan Andranian
>Costa Mesa, California USA
>www.GitaneUSA.com
>
>
>_____________________________________
>
>
>
>This E-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18
>U.S.C. ?? 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. This information is
>confidential information and is intended only for the use of the individual
>or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended
>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
>copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:08:22 -0400
>From: <DTSHIFTER@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR] French Pedal Question
>To: <maus5@sbcglobal.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Message-ID: <c87.4d529fe4.372d0516@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>> <<The axles are French threaded
>> and the bearings are not ground, so it's a mid-level model.
>>
>> What I really need is a dust cap wrench; the caps are a bit larger than
>> Campy with teeth of a finer pitch.>>
>>
>Over the past 35+ years, water pump pliers have served me well (with
>careful use) in these situations. How are you certain the bearing racers are not
>ground, if you can't get the cap(s) off?
>
>My experience with French pedals has been that the lower/mid range pedals
>have dust caps with 'flats' while the higher end pedals have serrated dust
>caps such as Campagnolo, KKT, MKS and many others.
>
>Disclaimer: I have not seen all the various pedals manufactured from
>1950-1983.
>
>Best,
>
>Chuck Brooks
>Malta, NY NEUSA
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>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:12:16 -0700
>From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
>Subject: Re: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>To: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>, <sandranian@yahoo.com>, Rendezvous
> Classic <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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>I apologize for the terrible typos in my previous post.
>Didn't have spell check on and didn't proofread either. AARGH!
>Ted Ernst
>Palos Verdes Estates
>CA USA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
>To: <sandranian@yahoo.com>; "Rendezvous Classic"
><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>
>
>Many tires may fit :snug" and have a low spot when the bead doesn't want to
>position itself correctly.
>While working as an inspector a the old chicago schwinn plant in the '50's,
>the assmbly line wheel & tire men had a brush and bottle of soap water which
>was very slippery when applied to the rim and the tire pressed over.
>When the hose pressure was applied, the tire almost always popped into place
>and rapid piece work was posible.
>We used liquid detergent in our shop and inflated tire with soap beteeen
>tire and rim so the obstreperous spot would assume the position sometimes
>with pressure alone or maybe the tire plier or giving it the 'ol palm and
>finger treatment.
>Give mit a shmier and sqveeze, baby, and zee vot happins!
>Every once in a while the guys wouldn't watch the bead and if it wasn't in
>the rim it would blowup, and off so fast with a loud boom or po!!
>Then the whole damn area would be full of the inside tube talcum powder, if
>you were too close you could speak but not hear for a minute or so and
>everyone within a yard or two would be full of tacum dust!
>Were we having fun or what?
>Ted Ernst
>Palos Verdes Estates
>CA USA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "sandranian" <sandranian@yahoo.com>
>To: "Rendezvous Classic" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:24 PM
>Subject: [CR] 650b Tire/Rim Fit "Issues"
>
>
>I just purchased a c1960 Gitane with 650b wheels/rims. I replaced the tires,
>purchasing (from Harris Cyclery) a pair of new Panaracer 650b tires.
>However, they don't seem to set right in the rims, specially the rear (I
>don't think the front rim is a problem). The rear rim is a steel Rigida 650b
>rim (at least that's what's stamped into it). The problem is that the bead
>of the tire doesn't seem to want to fit all the way around: It almost
>appears a bit small for the wheel. What is the problem here? What is the
>fix? Can I "stretch" the bead at all?
>
>It all appears to be right, but just doesn't fit that way, even when
>inflated, it creates a "bump" (low) in the tire, but the rim is true (no
>hops).
>
>Stephan Andranian
>Costa Mesa, California USA
>www.GitaneUSA.com
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