With today's current frame building standards (including extended seat tubes) the CTT measurement makes a lot?more sense. Back then I'm not so sure, unless there was a tendency to use extra tall lugs or seat post extensions.
Paul Andrews Ft Lauderdale, FL, USA
-----Original Message----- From: oroboyz@aol.com To: raydobbins2003@yahoo.com; kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk; brianbaylis@juno.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 8:25 pm Subject: [CR] Masi measuring of frames
<< Alberto explained?that the size was?measured?to the tip of the seat lug (putting his index finger on the tippy top of the?seat lug), and he said he did it this way because it was? "consistent."???I remember thinking that it was inconsistent with all the other builders I knew of,?but I kept it to myself.? I suppose Faliero decided to?measure frames this way?(God knows why) and Alberto kept up the practice?in order to be consistent with dad. >>
I think this is part of an effort to differentiate, very clever marketing actually. "You cannot compare a Masi to any other bike" There have been other makers trying similar but differing approaches. For instance, DeRosa, for a few years not so long ago, had a measurement system that went from the top (outside!) of the bottom bracket shell to the absolute top. Of course, all these methods allowed for comparison to the same brand only.
Dale
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina, USA? ?
-----Original Message----- From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com> To: kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk; brianbaylis@juno.com <brianbaylis@juno.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige
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In 1989 I went to the Masi shop at the Vigorelli with a friend who was picking
up a brand new 3V.? In showing us the bike, Alberto explained?that the size
was?measured?to the tip of the seat lug (putting his index finger on the tippy
top of the?seat lug), and he said he did it this way because it was
"consistent."???I remember thinking that it was inconsistent with all the other
builders I knew of,?but I kept it to myself.? I suppose Faliero decided
to?measure frames this way?(God knows why) and Alberto kept up the practice?in
order to be consistent with dad.
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Ray Dobbins
Miami Florida USA
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From: brianbaylis@juno.com <brianbaylis@juno.com> Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige To: kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk Cc: classicre ndezvous@bikelist.org Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 10:53 AM
Kevin,
Another piece of news. I had no idea there might be others who used the tip of the seat lug as the measuring standard. Any idea why those who choose this method prefer it? It seems center to top of top tube makes sense, as does center to center. But why to the tip of the seat lug? Maybe someone has an explanation; not that it really matters in the end. I always measure c-t and state that. Then others can make the adjustment to suit their preference.
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
USA
For sure this is how we measured Bob Jacksons and Woodrups.......though, interestingly at Thorn cycles we do take the measurment from center to center, having said that when I do a frame for myself it will always be based on center to top of seat lug!........and I still think in inches despite working to metric.
Cheers.
Kevin Sayles
Bridgwater Somerset UK
<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige
>I believe Confentes are measured in similar fashion.
> These measurements make sense if you believe in their basic
> premise-they're an attempt to impart information-in one case with
respect
> to tube dimensions and the other without them.
> George
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com"
> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige
> To: kenfreeman096@gmail.com
> Cc: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net, lilo_77@gmx.net,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, bobhoveyga@aol.com
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Jerry is correct. Technically, Masis, and only Masis for some
>> odd re
ason; are measured from center of BB to the top of the
>> seat lug.
>>
>> Makes now sense, but there you go.
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> La Mesa, CA
>> USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Ken Freeman
>> To:
>> Cc: bobhoveyga@aol.com, lilo_77@gmx.net,
>> classicrendezvous@bikelist.orgSubject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige
>> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:35:55 -0400
>>
>> Same for my California Masi. It's stamped MC53, but it measures
>> 51.5 c-c.
>>
>> Ken Freeman
>> Ann Arbor, MI USA
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <
>> jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > BTW, I believe the frame size Masi stamped on the BB was c-t-t
>> or maybe
>> > even to the top of the seatlug. My Prestige is marked 56, but
>> I think it is
>> > more like 54 or 54.5 c-t-c.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jerry Moos
>> > Big Spring, Texas, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 5/11/09, bobhoveyga@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: bobhoveyga@aol.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 Masi Prestige
>> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> > > Cc: lilo_77@gmx.net
>> > > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:04 AM
>> > > >> The serial number is CD76.
>> > >
>> > > Hi Dustin;
>> > >
>> > > If you'll look closely, you'll see that
>> > > there are two different stamps on the
>> > > bottom bracket. The large stamp, "CD 52"
>> > > is the customer code and frame size.
>> > > Below and between, in a smaller size
>> > > stamp, is "766" which is the date of
>> > > production (June 1976). This combination
>> > > of stamps was typical of the period for
>> > > Italian Masis... unlike the US Masis,
>> > > they did not have serial numbers.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bob Hovey
>> > > Columbus, GA USA
>> > > http://bhovey.com/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Original Message:
>> > >
>> > > Howdy,
>> > >
>> > > I am offering for sale a 52cm(c-t) 1976 Alberto Masi
>> > > Prestige in vgc. The bike
>> > > is equipped with SR/NR components and has a pantho stem and
>> > > seat post. The
>> > > serial number is CD76. All bearings run smo
oth.
>> > > This bike has hardly been ridden and is in great condition.
>> > > Just check the
>> > > pictures for that. There is some chain slap and a scratch
>> > > on the bottom of the
>> > > down tube, see the pics for that. The seat stay has two
>> > > tiny chips (ca. 1/16")
>> > > halfway down. Aside from that, nada.
>> > > The top tube measures 53cm c-c.
>> > > The stem is 90mm, the bars 40cm. Seat post measures 27.7.
>> > > The freewheel is an Everest, the saddle a Concor
>> > > Supercorsa. Rims are from Nisi.
>> > > It comes with a Silca Impero Masi branded pump with Campy
>> > > head.
>> > >
>> > > Check out pictures under:
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
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>> > >
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>> > >
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