Can everyone cut it out already with this? How about letting Dale be the judge on whether someone is offensive or not...as he owns the list. I am not interested in anyone's opinion on what is offensive and what isn't. If you are offended by this, complain to Dale offlist and have perhaps he will remove me.
By the way, I am still trying to figure out what this has to do with vintage lightweights.
Stephan Andranian - 1/2 Kraut, 1/2 Armo, but a fan of Frog-built bicycles. Costa Mesa, California, USA http://www.GitaneUSA.com
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From: Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: Frogs To: "Angel Garcia" <veronaman@gmail.com> Cc: "CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:13 AM
Jewed: disparaging and offensive (IMHO) Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> wrote:
> re: nothing insulting or derogatory in any of these nicknames:
>
> Kraut: "Slang (disparaging and offensive), a German....
> Frog: "Slang (disparaging and offensive), a French person
> Limey: "Slang (sometimes disparaging and offensive), British person, sailor
>
> The quotes are from Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the
> English Language. They probably have quite a bit of experience with history
> and language.
>
> Angel Garcia
> Long Valley, NJ
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Frogs
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
>
>
>
> Quite true, and this even carried over to the New World, where frog legs
> are
> a favorite in Cajun Louisiana as well. So as I observed, "frog" for the
> French is similar to "kraut" for the Germans, implying a fondness for
> sauerkraut, which does in fact feature in many German dishes. Or Limey for
> the Brits, which I believe refers to the limes once carried on ships of the
> Royal Navy to help prevent scurvy. There is absolutely nothing insulting
> or
> derogatory in any of these nicknames, any more than in calling a person
> from
> Oklahoma a Sooner.
>
> True, not every Frenchman likes frog legs, nor every German saurkraut, so
> these are in a sense "stereotypes", but if that equates to racism, then so
> does the phrase "American as apple pie", since not all Americans like apple
> pie either.
>
> There are indeed offensive racial slurs in the world, but the above are not
> among them. Those who try to portray every nickname as racist are not only
> engaging gratuitous Political Correctness, but also exhibiting their
> ignorance of both history and language.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/24/09, nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > From: nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
> > Subject: [CR] Frogs
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 9:12 AM
> >
> > Well documented (?) references to a Queen having a litle
> > friend from France whom she bestowed with the title of My
> > Little Frog, I think we're slitting hairs here.
> >
> > The French are called Frogs or have been called so because
> > they eat frog's legs (fried, they are rather like chicken,
> > albeit not much meat). A great gallic speciality, along with
> > Snails, which are ralther delicious actually, but what isn't
> > if you pour enough sauce and garlic on it ?
> >
> > As to what France bought to cycling ? Everything.
> >
> > Nick March, Agen 47000 France
> >
> >
> >
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