[CR] PX-10 serial numbers, part I & II (2005)

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From: "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>
To: 'CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS' <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:29:22 -0400
Organization: FAI Materials Testing Laboratory
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Subject: [CR] PX-10 serial numbers, part I & II (2005)


I've been perplexed that my 67 to 69 vintage PX-10 has the BB serial 68193 stamped on it when it seems all others have 6 digits. The number system has been referred to as hysterical, but alas thanks to the classicrendevous archives, my state of mind is less so. Many thanks,
>Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10503.0139.eml
>From: "dddd" <dddd(AT)pacbell.net>
>Subject: [CR <http://search.bikelist.org/query.asp?SearchString=%22PX%2D10+serial+numbers%22& SearchPrefix=%40msgsubject&SortBy=MsgDate%5Ba%5D> ]PX-10 serial numbers
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:30:41 -0800


>Russ wrote:
>>>>Pre-1970 with numbers stamped directly into the BB shell? I dunno. =
>I=20
>had a theory for a while there that the first digit of the sn was again=20
>the last digit of the year produced.
>>>>Feel free to correct me, just be gentle with me!


>I just checked my "1967" PX10, with the pointed shield badges.
>The # stamped into the BB shell is 34374.
>Bike is white, ~54cm and has only the Stringlight headset, bb and cranks =
>remaining as original parts. Another dumpster find, the decals and =
>paint all survived a much-needed working over with rubbing compound and =
>look new. This one apparently never received the clear coat that =
>typically crazes.
>
>David Snyder
>Auburn, CA


>Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10503.0128.eml
>From: Russ Fitzgerald <velocio(AT)earthlink.net>
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:42:32 -0500
>Subject:
>I'm a dummy. I forgot to mention the weird serial numbers on a small
>number of PX-10s from the 1970-78 period. Worse still, I owned two of
>them!
>The pre 1970 ones had serial numbers stamped in line with the BB
>spindle axis, right? Those numbers were nicely stamped, if memory
>serves. The post 1978 serial numbers were stamped perpendicular to the
>spindle axis; 1979 on, I think they had an alphabetic prefix. Again,
>these were nicely stamped.
>The overwhelming majority of Peugeots from '70 to '78 that I've
>encountered had the infamous aluminum plates discussed earlier. But I
>had two bikes that broke that rule. One, a PX-10E (black Nervex Pro
>lugs) that I bought at the very first Cirque, appeared to be from 1973,
>judging by some markings on the probably original Simplex rear
>derailleur. It was no. 882 33, stamped forward of the seam, on a BB
>shell with a drain hole and two holes similar to those used for
>mounting the riveted plate. The numbers looked to be hand-stamped.
>Strangely enough, I also had what I believe was a '74 PX-10LE (smooth
>lugs, gold lug lining) with what appeared to be hand-stamped serial
>numbers. SN 44931 4, stamped forward of the seam, with NO drain hole
>or rivet holes. The stamping looked crude to my eye.
>Both of these bikes were 60 cm, c-t, and had surprisingly steep angles
>- they weren't the usual 72 parallel frames. I remember David G.
>mentioning that someone who communicated with him about a similar
>frame. There were a couple of theories - either these frames had been
>made for a team, or they were warranty replacement frames.
>
>Russ Fitzgerald
>Greenwood, SC

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