George,
How can one tell that the Ebay pista is not a Bruegelmann bike?
Thanks,
George Allen Lexington, KY USA
George Hollenberg wrote:
> Hi George:
> You're quite right. Bruegelmann ( which still exists) was a prominent
> large bike and bike catalogue shop in Germany. They had a close
> relationship with Cinelli and offered, in the 1970's, by order only, a
> superlight model available only in red and yellow livery, either as a
> frame set or a complete bike with drillium , etc. (the real key to
> identifying the bike is the perforated BB shell). Pista versions were
> less common. When in Berlin early this year I saw the yellow Pista
> bike shown in the website you've referenced. It was an authentic
> Bruegelmann Cinelli Pista frameset rebuilt by the dealer-I believe
> the price was over 5000 Euros, but I don't recall. The dealer had
> other very interesting period bikes, many of German origin, as would
> be expected in Berlin.
> Angel Garcia, among other American collectors, has a very nice
> Bruegelmann Cinelli. His is unique since it was built as a TT bike. It
> can be found on his website.
> The pista bike on eBay is not a Bruegelmann Cinelli.
> Regards,
> George
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM, George Allen <jgallen@lexairinc.com
> <mailto:jgallen@lexairinc.com>> wrote:
>
> Wasn't there a thread a few months back on Cinelli track bikes
> with that very same paint scheme? IIRC, the paint was for a German
> Cinelli distributor (Brugelman?). And I sure missed this one when
> it was offered to the list at $1000. You'd have a hard time buying
> the parts for a thousand. I think this is the thread:
>
> http://search.bikelist.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> George Allen
> Lexington, Ky
> USA
>
>
> . brianbaylis@juno.com <mailto:brianbaylis@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Yep, a 70's bike. But a pretty nice looking machine. I like
> the yellow paint; great look for a vintage track bike. Let's
> see if it sells at $4K. I think maybe not.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> I have a 70's Cinelli track bike, silver, 49cm c-t. The BEST
> part of that bike is the GENUINE Campagnolo Track 1/2x1/8 66
> tooth chainring! I love that chainring more than life
> itself.;-) But the effect would not be complete unless the
> rear cog was a track pitch 12 tooth! Man, what a setup. It's
> especially comical being on such a small frame. If I'm not
> mistaken, it's a very rare part, possibly as few as 20 of
> these were made, along with 68 and 70 tooth rings. I'm sure
> intended for riding behind the derneys in Europe, back in the
> day. They don't do it anymore because it's too dangerous, I
> hear. What could possibly be dangerous about riding behind a
> motorcycle on the track at 60+ MPH?
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com
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> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> Subject: Re: [CR] cinelli pista on ebay
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:32:07 -0700
>
> I had a couple of questions for Cinelli-philes about this
> bike, outed by Ken Sanford:
>
> http://ebay.com/
> http://ebay.com/
>
>
> I think Edward Brooks had it right, this is a 70s bike. I was
> under the impression that earlier cinelli track bikes had a
> different lug, without holes in them, and this bike has the
> later silver-finish headbadge. Older ones have the brass
> badge, yes? nice bike, but not 1960s, I'm thinking.
>
> I know just enough about Cinellis to be dangerous...and I give
> Edward Brooks all respect for not being apoplectic that the
> seller is trying to get 4 times what he originally sold it for...
>
> Charles Andrews
> Los Angeles
>
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