Michael and list, and Zullo-fans! I just spoke to John van Herwerden, and am now able to shed some light on these matters (and to correct my original assumptions!). The beautiful Van Herwerden bike that was on ebay a while ago (and sold for a good price, wow!!!
http://cgi.ebay.nl/
was either build by Zullo or by Chesini. Both is possible, Van Herwerden worked with both builders. Next, the brand name Zullini was a name that Van Herwerden came up with, a combination of 'Zullo' and 'Chesini' (obviously). Even the font of the name Zullini is the same as the font of Van Herwerden. It seems every reputable Dutch (or Belgian for that matter) bikeshop was in need of an Italian sounding name for its house brands ... Remember Paganini for the Plum Vainqueur shop in Gent, Belgium?
I also asked about the black anodized and panto'd Campy parts: these were done by a firm in Italy, probably not far from Verona. The black Chesini cassette hubs were made by OMAS.
So much for digging into history ...
BTW, I'm offering my neighbors 79 Chesini to the list this evening, just have to get the text right.
Freek Faro Rotterdam Netherlands
2009/9/11 Schmid <schmidi@gaponline.de>
> Since I am a little bit into Chesinis I called my friend an former boss
> who used to be the german Chesini Importer. He knew that van Herweerden
> was one of the dutch Chesini Importers and he also confirmed that
> Chesini's workshop or factory was just 6km away from the Zullo venue. He
> also once was recommended to Zullo by Chesini when being in need of a
> special made frame. So there might be a friendly cooperation between the
> two builders.
> Regarding the Zullo I contacted the seller and he pointed me right to
> the CR site where a similiar Zullo frame can be viewed.
> So my educated guess on this bike is, that van Herweeden, being both
> companies Importer, just put together a Zullo made Van Herweerden
> labeled frame with Chesini made pantogrphed and anodized Campy SR parts.
> The seat post also shows the typical C pantograph as seen on some
> Chesinis. I suspect that Chesini also made the pantographs in house,
> since a lot of Chesinis came with a pantographed headtube. Maybe Chesini
> also did the pantographing on the Zullo and van Heerwerden headtubes
> which would make sense economically. This is however, just an educated
> guess, but plausible in my eyes. The other bike in the german
> rennrad-forum had a similiar setup, also with C-pantoed shifters and the
> super record pantoed rings and stem, mounted on a Vitus aluminium frame.
> It also came from the Netherlands, so it seemed to be quite normal for
> van Herweerden to sell different frames with pantoed Chesini and other
> parts.
> The pantographing style on the rings is a lot like the pantographing on
> my Chesini parts, especially the groove on the edges of the big ring.
>
> Maybe Angel Garcia, having connections to the Chesini family in Verona
> can shed some more light in this matter.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Schmid
> Oberammergau
> Germany
> Tel.: +49 8821 798790
> Fax.:+49 8821 798791
> mail: schmid@zunterer.com
> http://www.zunterer.com
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von Freek
> Faro
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. September 2009 20:56
> An: haxixe@gmail.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Betreff: Re: [CR] zullo
>
>
> I believe the mix of 'Super Record' black and panto'd parts and the
> 'Chesini' panto'd parts is just a mix-up (or deliberately) that happened
> in the shop (Van Herwerden, you can google them), since they were big in
> Chesini and Zullini. Not Zullo.
>
> Freek Faro
> Rotterdam (not far from Voorburg) Netherlands
>
> 2009/9/10 Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com>
>
> > Weren't those upright seat tube angles kind of an '80s trigeek fad?
> >
> > Interesting bike, and glad to finally hopefully figure out what brand-
> > Zullo- those "Super Record" panto bits that pop up on ebay come from.
> > But why the Chesini shifters and seatpost on the ebay bike? Was there
>
> > a Chesini-Zullo connection, or are this panto bits unambiguously wrong
>
> > for that bike?
> >
> > Kurt Sperry
> > Bellingham, Washington
> > USA
> >
> > 2009/9/10 Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com>:
> > > this zullo under discussion:
> > >
> > > this potential fixed-gear :
> > >
> > > http://ebay.com/
> > >
> > > has a very steep seat-tube. I had not ridden something like that
> > > for a
> > long time, then earlier this year I happened to ride a bike with that
> > feature and it was disconcerting: you feel like you're perched up
> > there, with weight thrown forward onto your hands and shoulders. Not
> > very pleasant actually..although I hasten to add the bike on ebay
> > looks very attractive, and if you like that sort of thing it's
> > probably be quite satisfying. Wouldn't surprise me if it had a 75
> > degree seat-tube, or more, though.
> > >
> > > Charles andrews
> > > Los Angeles
> > _______________________________________________