Re: [CR] striping frames...

(Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley)

From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:40:17 +0000
To: <ternst1@cox.net>
Cc: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] striping frames...


Ted,

You are correct; a good pinstriper could make a real good living under easy working conditions. Something for the younger artistic types to consider.

BTW Ted, you must be thinking of camel toes. The pinstriping brushes are made from squirrel hair. So the camels are safe; it's the squirrels that need to watch out. ;-)

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA USA Never heard of a squirrel farm? How do you think they get the hair? I assure they are not chasing the squirrels up a tree.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: ternst
To: Garrett Belmont , Charles Andrews
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] striping frames...
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:21:17 -0700


Even in this time of economical duress,the striping trade , if someone has talent and trains/masters the discipline, could earn 70 to 100 K per year easily. When I was restoring bikes regularly in my old shop, I called in one of two stripers in my area and they would charge a minimum of 50 and usually 70 to100$ for 15/20 minutes work, 1/2 hour at the most. There was as much work for them as they wanted, and it would always take 2-3 days or more for them to be able to come in. The work was done at my shop, all their equipment was in a station wagon or van. They made their rounds every day. You can do any kind of math you like, and see the potential for someone who has a feel/touch for it and wishes to apply him/herself. Lite easy work, do as much or little as you like, no rent to pay, no employees, minimal insurance, no gas, lite, water, trash pickup, etc. Of course it's not a high tech job on a computer, or attorney, type profession, and kids would rather tag than be a credit to society. The the long green is out their, kiddos, think about it. Time to start plucking those camel hairs.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Belmont
To: Charles Andrews
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] striping frames...



>I know this is OT from lug lining, but I'd like to share a technique. My
> grandfather freehanded many a pin stripe. Never used a roller tool like
> this.
> His technique for complex designs or complex surfaces was to do a mock up
> on
> paper and tested the fit, alignment, etc. Then he removed the paper used
> a
> tracing wheel (like this
> http://missourifamilies.org/learningopps/learnmaterial/tools/toolsjb/tools400/tracewhlsqr400.jpg)
> to
> perforate the lines. The paper was then re-applied to the surface and,
> depending on the base color's value, either chalk or charcoal was rubbed
> onto the lines and transfered to the surface. These lines, although
> faint,
> were all he needed to paint freehand paint stripes. And I can't say for
> sure, but the chalk and charcoal did not mix with the paint nor interfere
> with adhesion.
>
> I agree with Charles. There is a certain liveliness not found in the
> mechanically applied stripes. IMHO, practice is more valuable than this
> tool. Seems there is no easy DIY weekend solution to (high quality)
> pinstriping.
>
> --
> Garrett Belmont
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Charles Andrews
> <chasds@mindspring.com>wrote:
>
>> Pablo Brena wrote:
>>
>> "I recently got a lugged frame, but I changed my mind about the detailing
>> line in the lug edges,
>> currently is black and want to change it to gold.
>> Returning it to the builder is not practical and local car paint shops
>> haven't been very helpful.
>> Is it possible to do it with a paintbrush? In such a case what sort of
>> paint should I look for?
>> Any advice would be appreciated."
>>
>>
>> You may need this:
>>
>>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>
>> (No relation to seller).
>>
>> Emanuel Lowi
>>
>>
>> &&&&&&&
>>
>> that looks like a cool tool...but, there's an interesting problem with
>> tools like this. I was reminded of the problem recently when I had a
>> 1950s
>> Rene Herse tandem frame pinstriped and logo'd by our local striping ace.
>> He
>> applied the paint with a couple of special brushes. He used masking tape
>> as
>> a guide, but otherwise was free-handing the stripes with a brush...and
>> they
>> came out quite beautifully. Brush-applied stripes have special qualities
>> that cannot, as far as I have seen, be duplicated by a striping wheel or
>> pen. There is a difficult-to-describe liveliness to stripes done the
>> old-fashioned way. The stripes vary a little in thickness, which is
>> probably part of the effect.
>>
>> This liveliness is best seen on the old swiss bikes with the elaborate
>> pinstriping. It may well be that they were using a wheel-tool to do this
>> stuff--I have never been able to find out for sure how it was done. I'm
>> guessing it was done like the old Schwinn paramounts were done, with a
>> brush, mostly freehand, and probably quite rapidly. The Schwinns and the
>> swiss bikes have that look...as if the stripes were done very quickly.
>> Perhaps not, but that is the visual effect, to me.
>>
>> What I have seen is a airy liveliness to the striping on those old Swiss
>> frames, while more modern repro striping often looks dead somehow---too
>> thick maybe? To uniform in proportion perhaps? done too slowly, without
>> a
>> certain art?
>>
>> I dunno. I just know the old originals often look more entertaining than
>> restorations when it comes to striping...but I'd love to be convinced
>> that
>> good striping in the old style can still be done. The guy who the Herse
>> has
>> made a career of it, mostly does cars and trucks, and he is a true
>> artist.
>>
>> Charles Andrews
>> Los Angeles
>>
>>
>> "everyone has elites; the important thing is
>> to change them from time to time."
>>
>> --Joseph Schumpeter, via Simon Johnson