George, I don't know if you're trying to be clever, or if you just haven't been paying attention. These SPAM emails, oddly labeled as such in the subject, have been showing up repeatly in recent weeks, sometimes several per day. Always the same pattern, a reponse in German to a recently posted CR message. Dale himself had one of these SPAM responses a couple of days ago. Quite obviously these are not being sent by CR members, nor has anyone yet figured out where they are coming from or how to stop them.
"All this flap" was not just about the single eBay bike, but a discussion of how many different companies made Merckx/Moltenis, which of them might have been sold to the public and which builders might have supplied actual team frames. I don't know what your point is about the Hour Record bikes. I said that they had Windsor decals slapped on them. And yes they were actually Colnagos, as anyone who has been on the CR list for several years already knows.
Regards and Good Night,
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA
> From: George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] *****SPAM***** Re: Supposed Merckx De Rosa on English Ebay
> To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 7:17 PM
> Jerry:
> Why you're quoting a German eMail on CR I don't know.
> German was my first
> language and I enjoy seeing it, but I think Dale disparages
> this sort of
> thing.
> All this flap about the Merckx bike on eBay is silly.
> Simply eMailing the
> seller was enough to determine that he allegedly bought the
> bike as an early
> Merckx, already painted, and added the parts.It wouldn't be
> easy, or even
> possible, to determine who the maker was. It's evident it
> wasn't De Rosa.
> Merckx decal sets are available for sale throughout the
> world. Some are good
> other less so.
> The seller's eBay ad is very deceptive, but, like a
> dog biting a man, this
> is hardly news. All eBay sales are at the buyers" (and
> sellers') peril.
> Merckx's experience with bikes has been discussed so many
> times here that it
> seems pointless to repeat.
> Speedbicycles' Merckx Colnago is correct.
> Speedbicycles never alleges that
> Merckx rode this bike. Merckx didn't like anyone to "steal
> his shadow". The
> real question, never answered, is whether Merckx licensed
> Colnago to produce
> this bike. Of course he never rode. Some say this licensure
> issue lead to a
> break between the two men.
> As far as the Hour Record bike(s), Windsor put their label
> on the bikes. The
> bikes were Colnagos. One of these bikes is in Cambiago, the
> other in a
> Brussels Metro stop, named in Eddy's honor.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> <
> jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Software zur Erkennung von "Spam" auf dem Rechner
> >
> > priamus.teamware-gmbh.de
> >
> > hat die eingegangene E-mail als mögliche
> "Spam"-Nachricht identifiziert.
> > Die ursprüngliche Nachricht wurde an diesen Bericht
> angehängt, so dass
> > Sie sie anschauen können (falls es doch eine legitime
> E-Mail ist) oder
> > ähnliche unerwünschte Nachrichten in Zukunft
> markieren können.
> > Bei Fragen zu diesem Vorgang wenden Sie sich bitte an
> >
> > postmaster@teamware-gmbh.de
> >
> > Vorschau: I'm pretty sure I remember seeing at least
> one Falcon-built
> > Merckx in Molteni colors on eBay a
> couple of years ago. Kind of odd that
> > Falcon and Kessels, and according to a post
> earlier today, Allegro were
> > all
> > licensed to sell Eddy Merckx bikes,
> evidently all at the same time.
> > Perhaps
> > Eddy only gave each manufacturer
> exclusive rights within the country of
> > manufacture.
> > And the Speedbicycles photos might
> suggest that perhaps DeRosa and
> > Colnago
> > might have been selling EM bikes as
> well. Of course those two might have
> > been actual team frames. Neither one seems to
> have a brazeon for fitting a
> > number plate, but in Eddy's photo
> book "The Fabulous World of Cycling"
> > there
> > are lots of shots of bikes with no
> number plate, and lots more of number
> > plates that appear to be clamped or tied around
> the toptube. So evidently
> > the use of a brazeon boss for the number plate
> was far from universal
> > during
> > Merckx's career. Note that Merckx's
> 1974 (Montreal) World Championship
> > bike,
> > pictured in Jan Heine's book, also
> lacks a number plate fitting. So at
> > this
> > point it isn't clear whether DeRosa
> and Colnago sold EM bikes or only
> > supplied
> > actual team frames. The Colnago on
> Speedbicycles is particularly
> > puzzling,
> > as it has Colnago as well as Merckx
> decals, including a "Colnago Super"
> > decal
> > on the chainstay. I don't believe
> I've ever seen a photo of Merckx, once
> > he left Peugeot, riding a bike with a
> manufacturer's name on it, although
> > he was not adverse to lug cutouts like the
> DeRosa heart. The only
> > exception
> > I have seen was that infamous Hour
> Record bike that the Mexican
> > organizers
> > insisting on slapping Windsor decals
> onto. [...]
> >
> > Inhaltsanalyse im Detail: (5.8
> Punkte, 5.0 benötigt)
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> > 0.6 J_CHICKENPOX_37
> BODY: 3alpha-pock-7alpha
> > 1.8 SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU BODY: Rolex with
> obfuscated replica
> > 0.6 J_CHICKENPOX_17
> BODY: 1alpha-pock-7alpha
> > 2.8 UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY BODY: Nachrichtentext
> in unerwünschter Sprache
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> George
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA