Ishiwata tubing was also used by Stan Pike on occaisions, especially when aske for, I have 2 of his frames in that tubing, but he did make a super light one in the same tubing for John Woodburns End to End record, which John told me , Fell to bits after about 500 miles and he had to use his spare bike for the remainder of the attempt. Just thought Id bung this in. Barrie Carter. in 17deegree Roundham UK PS Went out with the Axe Valley Pedlers today, all sorts of guys and gals turned up for the Tweed Run, you had to dress in 50s gear. Great craic, specially the scones and cream after 4 miles! Barrie carter, as before Roundham, UK
From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CR] Flandria on eBay To: "Freek Faro" <khun.freek@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 16:25
Belgian framebuolders certainly used Ishiwata tubing early on - a couple of years ago I bought quite a number of sets of Ishiwata 017 tubing which had come from a Belgian framebuilder.
But this particular seller's other bikes do not impress me - c1978/9 Colnago marked up as a 1973 Colnago Super and a late 80s Pinarello with a mish-mash of Campag kit...
However reds are notoriously difficult colour to photograph digitally so I do not think one can read anything into the colour portrayed by Ebay's very poor quality Jpegs...
Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles
Freek Faro wrote:
> I believe that in the mid 70s Japanese tubing was more or less widely used
> by Belgian framebuilders. I've owned a Main d'Or (mr. Kessels) in Ishiwata
> 022 Speed Gallant tubing (gotta love that name!), and Superia ('brother' and
> neighbor to Flandria) also used Japanese tubing.
> On the other hand, the colour of the Flandria in the auction definitely
> seems pink to me (or fuchsia maybe), and not the red that I would expect of
> a Flandria teambike. But I'm not an expert on Flandria.
>
> And that fluted seatpost looks exactly the same as the one on my (Belgian,
> mid 70s) Georges Pintens ...
>
> Freek Faro
> Rotterdam Netherlands
>
> 2010/4/9 Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> Here's an alleged Team Flandria bike from the 2nd half of the 70's, and
>> there are some nice parts on it. Auction ends in 20 hours.
>>
>>
>> http://ebay.com/
>>
>> ebay item # 270557733961
>>
>> Two questions come up for me, though. 1st, the lugwork is very plain
>> jane. Now Euro team frames are not renowned for fine detailing, but this
>> seems a bit much to be an acutal team frame. However, never having had a
>> good chance to examine a known genuine Flandria, could this be a team bike?
>>
>> The other question is the Ishwata tubing, another Euro anomaly. Again,
>> however, Flandria was one of the 1st teams to use Shimano, so Japanese
>> tubing isn't impossible, I suppose. But then, this is a Campag bike.
>>
>> In any event, it's an interesting bike. Be sure to check out the do it
>> yourself 1st gen Super Record flutes on the seat post.
>>
>> Tom Adams
>> Manhattan KS USA