Re: [CR] Alpine and C.I.D. transfers

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Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:06:47 +0100
From: "Derek Athey" <devondirect@googlemail.com>
To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Alpine and C.I.D. transfers


Hi Jerry

Yes the background of CID is as you have outlined according to a number of CR list members. I was surprised to learn that they were actually built in the UK.

Traditionally here in the Uk from the halcyon days of frame construction, transfer have always been Varnish fix. Which mean that thye are applied after an application of thin varnish on the transfer and affixed to the frame before it dries. Once only chance of correct positioning. This method was long before the waterslide method of manufacture came about.

You then let them dry then applied water to the surafce coated paper until it softened, then peeled it off. Aagain. let the transfer dry before a final coat of lacquer was applied to the overall finished frame.

This traditional method overlasped with the dry fix, water-slide and adhesive systems before becoming extinct. So varnish fix versions that are extant are old originals going back to the 50's - 60's.

Regards Derek

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos < jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> What exactly are varnish fix transfers? I've heard this a number of
> times from UK members, but never understood exactly what they were. Did one
> actually have to apply a coat of varnish over top of them, or is this just a
> different name for some common type of transfer than the name we use in the
> US?
>
> If the CID transfers do not require too mysterious an application method, I
> could use them. I have an early 70's CID touring bike. We had some
> discussion of CID a couple of years ago. I believe they were imported by
> Georgetown Cycles in Washington DC or by a connected business, and were said
> to have been built in England by MKM.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Tuscaloosa, Alabama, USA
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com>
> Subject: [CR] Alpine and C.I.D. transfers
> To: "Rendezvous Classic" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 12:16 PM
>
> Hi all
>
> I recently cleared out my surplus, mainly British, frame builders transfers
> on eBay. Amongst those I found were some US names I am not familiar with,
> and wonder if anyone might be interested in them for a refurb.
>
> I have -
> 1 x head/seat Alpine Cycles Washington DC
> 1 x down tube Alpine name in block captial letters
>
> 1 x C.I.D. head/seat transfers in a diamond lozenge shape with C.I.D
> crosing
> both vertically and horizontally
> 1 x C.I.D. down tube transfer in outline capital letters with a horizontal
> triangle both before, and after the letters.
>
> I cannot state the colours as these are all varnsih fix and I cannot see
> through the backing paper. Having said that, I can see that the Alpine head
> transfer if predominantly a white cross out of a red background.
>
> Are these of interest to anyone with these makes? It would be nice even if
> not, that someone could tell me a little about the makers and likely age. I
> have asked numerous people here in the UK and have got no response!
>
> Thanks
> Derek Athey
> Honiton, Devon UK