Thank you Charles for posting my Craigs List Ad on the CR List. The bike has sold to a member of the list. Al Van Varick Hemet, CA & Tucson, AZ. USA
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Today's Topics:
1. Motobecane mixte for sale (Richard G. Elmendorf) 2. Ultra sonic cleaners. (J R) 3. Motobecane Mixte (Richard G. Elmendorf) 4. Hetchins Track Bike Full Campagnolo 1969 Vintage 535mm San Diego Craigslist July 2010 (Charles Nighbor) 5. Maurizio/Agnetti Info Sought (Matthew 'Devotion' Bowne) 6. Re: Motobecane Mixte (mitch harris) 7. Re: Motobecane Mixte (billydavid13@comcast.net) 8. 6 Day bike rider (Bianca Pratorius) 9. Re: Motobecane Mixte (mitch harris) 10. Re: Ultrasonic cleaner results and report (FujiFish1@aol.com) 11. Re: Ultrasonics (Jay Dubiel) 12. WTB: Huret Success RD Small Parts (Sean Flores) 13. Eddy Merckx team track bike, and Campagnolo pista parts for sale. (starmichael bowman) 14. Re: Motobecane Mixte (Putman, Clyde)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:06:28 -0600 From: "Richard G. Elmendorf" <Elmendor@uwyo.edu> Subject: [CR] Motobecane mixte for sale To: "Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <C875DBD4.71A3%elmendor@uwyo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
This is my wife's late 1970's bike. It never fit her well, and so has seen very little use.
Details: -Motobecane Grand Touring -Vitus tubing -19" frame -excellent condition (has an aftermarket fork) -I have overhauled all the bearings, replaced cables and housing -new Panaracer Pasela tires (27 x 1 1/4") -pictures available on request
Asking $250 plus shipping (I will box it carefully).
Thanks,
Dick Elmendorf Longmont, CO, USA
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:24:55 -0400 From: J R <jim2527@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Ultra sonic cleaners. To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <COL107-W473887AAA89CA15B04E522A3A80@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have small one from Harbor frieght and it owrks well. I use tap water and Dawn Direct dish soap. In regards to Simple Green and any type of citrus based cleaner....its true and its printed on the label. If you soak aluminum parts in either the aluminum will become discolored. Its OK for cleaning and immediate rinsing but not soaking.
Jim Ruggier Tampa, FL USA
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:38:04 -0600 From: "Richard G. Elmendorf" <Elmendor@uwyo.edu> Subject: [CR] Motobecane Mixte To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <C875E33C.71A5%elmendor@uwyo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have posted pictures of the bike at
http://www.flickr.com/
Thanks,
Dick Elmendorf Longmont, CO, USA
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:47:13 -0700 From: "Charles Nighbor" <cnighbor1@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] Hetchins Track Bike Full Campagnolo 1969 Vintage 535mm San Diego Craigslist July 2010 To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <D085436437284712929FAE8C190BC1AC@gateway2v8e13w> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
''This is a 1969 Hetchins Vade Mecum VM1 TRACK Bike. With the original paint and decals and it is in excellent condition. It has has a 21" (53.5cm) seat tube measured center-to-top and a 21" top tube. The wheelbase is 37 1/2". This is a very agressive design intended for track use. The components are a full Campagnolo Nuovo Record Track Gruppo with 165 mm cranks. This bike is equipped with an Inch Pitch drive train (very cool). A 24 T, 151 B.C.D. chainring and an 8 T cog and an inch pitch Regina "block" chain. That's the equivelent of 48 x 16. The seat is a Brooks Professional that dates to 1965 that has a good patina and the correct shape. The Bars are Cinelli Steel Campeone Del Mondo in 38 cm and the stem is a 95 mm Baged Steel Cinelli. It's just about perfect and that includes the paint and decals. Please look at the pictures I'm sure that you will like what you see. $2100 will do it Contact Al 520-429-7456 Cell''
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:49:10 -0400 From: Matthew 'Devotion' Bowne <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Maurizio/Agnetti Info Sought To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <SNT125-W127F367CBC30087332F91F5A80@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
A buddy of mine just picked up a 70's Italian roadie marked "Maurizio". A List archive search had one mention of a bike badged as Maurizio but built by Agnetti. Anyone have any further info on either this marque or this builder? Any help appreciated. Muchas Gracias, Matthew Bowne Brooklyn, new York
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:27:54 -0600 From: mitch harris <mitch.harris531@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte To: "Richard G. Elmendorf" <Elmendor@uwyo.edu> Cc: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTimGk-fjF50hhEUOqr5mMX1b=m8NXyJ9use3bQPq@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Interesting drop tube that I haven't seen before. Halfway between the usual twin tube method and the Herse single tube mixte method.
Mitch Harris Little Rock Canyon, Utah, usa
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Richard G. Elmendorf
<Elmendor@uwyo.edu>wrote:
> I have posted pictures of the bike at
>
> http://www.flickr.com/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Elmendorf
> Longmont, CO, USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: billydavid13@comcast.net Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte To: mitch harris <mitch.harris531@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <2131764213.676922.1280357130712.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.emeryville.ca.mail.c omcast.net>
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Hi all. I just want to add my 2 cents worth. I'm a big fan of Motobecane mixtes built this way. It's a superior design to the typical full twin laterals and much nicer execution. That's all. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.
Interesting drop tube that I haven't seen before. Halfway between the usual twin tube method and the Herse single tube mixte method.
Mitch Harris Little Rock Canyon, Utah, usa
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Richard G. Elmendorf
<Elmendor@uwyo.edu>wrote:
> I have posted pictures of the bike at
>
> http://www.flickr.com/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Elmendorf
> Longmont, CO, USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:51:11 -0400 From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] 6 Day bike rider To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <B809DF14-EE39-4644-BB73-E4A8A1A8601D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I must admit that the plot was more of a bore than anything else, but the last twenty minutes of high jinks in the street and riding on the track made it all worth it. The funny thing is that I caught the last minutes of this movie in 1960 or 60 when I was six or seven and I have retained the excitement of track racing and bicycles ever since. It's amazing how brief images can affect our whole lives. I had my seven year old son watch those scenes today, and I'm hoping the images will affect him too. It's been fifty years since I last viewed this movie and although I no doubt view it differently now, it's been an old friend returned to me after a long wait.
Joe E Brown really can spin those cranks, as can be seen in the roller racing scene mid way through. He was quite an athlete.
BTW ... I'm making the fastest possible recovery from my hip replacement two weeks and one day ago, according to my physical therapist. I always walk without a cane now, and when I'm warm after my twice daily workout, I can walk without a limp. If I sit for ten minutes and the swelling and tenderness quickly return. If anyone says that this operation is a piece of cake ... I say let them eat cake (I don't and still would have done anything to avoid such an invasive operation). At this rate I'll be back on my regular bikes in two more weeks. The bikes at the physical therapist's have such horribly wide seats that they force my thighs apart and cause them to chafe. It's all part of the learning and renewal game ... I guess.
Garth Libre in MIami Fl USA
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:58:42 -0600 From: mitch harris <mitch.harris531@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte To: billydavid13@comcast.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <AANLkTikBGvR037utXw2UN_WbMJzyBT+R9A+wQ5qH9PmN@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:45 PM, <billydavid13@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi all. I just want to add my 2 cents worth. I'm a big fan of Motobecane
> mixtes built this way. It's a superior design to the typical full twin
> laterals and much nicer execution. That's all. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL;
> USA.
>
>
"Superior" in stiffness? Any advantage over a full twin lateral would be limited by the seat tube/lateral joint which is little different from a full twin lateral design. This design doesn't have the advantages claimed for the Herse style with its single tube from head tube to seat tube.
I like it though. It's a nice variation.
Mitch Harris Little Rock Canyon, Utah, usa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mitch harris" <mitch.harris531@gmail.com>
> To: "Richard G. Elmendorf" <Elmendor@uwyo.edu>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:27:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte
>
> Interesting drop tube that I haven't seen before. Halfway between the
usual
> twin tube method and the Herse single tube mixte method.
>
> Mitch Harris
> Little Rock Canyon, Utah, usa
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Richard G. Elmendorf <Elmendor@uwyo.edu
> >wrote:
>
> > I have posted pictures of the bike at
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dick Elmendorf
> > Longmont, CO, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:14:34 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CR] Ultrasonic cleaner results and report To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <71489.270dbee.398213da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
I think that email may be a bit alarmist, and speaks of extremes only. I use Simple Green almost EXCLUSIVELY for cleaning bike frames and parts, a great multitude of which are made of aluminum. The exception is using an adhesive remover for tough adhesive residues, and brass brushes of various shapes, for removal of rust from chrome, or black or raw steel. For my little scrubbing tub, I use Simple Green cut 50% with tap water. Where you can have a problem, is if you leave the aluminum parts in the solution for more than say an hour or so, depending upon differences in the specific parts, like manufacturer, content, and type of anodizing used, or lack thereof. Left too long, it can begin to remove and blacken anodizing, and it can begin to blacken raw aluminum as well. Simple Green is excellent for making the parts shiny clean, and cutting through grease and grime. Now that being said, if you have to leave aluminum parts in the ultrasonic cleaner for longer than this, then I'd agree that you might need to find something else, like John Barron suggested.
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield, Michigan, USA ~ ~ ~
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:17:06 -0700 From: pbbikes <pbbikes@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Ultrasonic cleaner results and report To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Just got an email saying that Simple green is not good stuff to use on Aluminum. Just an FYI if anyones interested.
Also dont put any panto gear thats filled with paint unless you plan oon refilling the paint.
barry scott mount shasta ca usa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:40 PM, pbbikes <pbbikes@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi again two minutes later.
>
>
> I think now that ive found some time out from biz and home projects that
i
> should report back on something that pertains to the on topic restorer.
>
> A couple months ago I asked the list what they thought about an
ultrasonic
> cleaner ?
>
> The little suckers are pricey but much cleaner than a solvent tank.
>
> Well I bought one on ebay from a company in NY , made in china its
called
> a Kendall and I got the 9 liter model for $468
>
> Quite few people got back to and said about having a small one for
cleaning
> bits with good results but I wanted one to clean the piles of cranks and
> chainrings, so I took a leap and figured if theyer as good as peopel say
,
> it will pay for itself in time gained and less cancer cells
>
> The machine fits a full chainset, its I believe offhand 500watts for
> heating and the ehating elelment is the real important stuff.
>
> I used it first with dish liquid, then got a simple of simple green which
> is a little better and am yet to try some citrus(the sellers said it ok,
its
> stainless)
>
> the first couple batches clened out derailleurs in one 55 minute cycle at
> 65 degrees celcius f?
>
> This thing cleaned the spots that you need the tiniest brushes to get to
> and no brushing was necessary
>
> I have lot of sun here so the stuff drys rapidly on the deck to avoid
> rust-some pieces need to be pulled apart and everything needs some
grease or
> phil oil
>
> Obviously certain things like hubs cant just be tossed in but i put some
> really nasty stuff in there.
>
> Unfortunately 2 days later the heater stopped, its not the top model but
> its $400 plus dollars so I was a little bummed
>
> The seller asked if I would be willing to install a new heating element
and
> I said ok, a few days later -new heating element. I got one good batch
and
> it stopped heating again
>
> The best part of the machine is the heating , the gunk gets soft and you
> can pull the part out and wipe it real quick and toss it back in.
>
> So I was done, i decided I wanted another brand, but that I definitely
> wanted another ultrasonic. Afetr speaking with the seller he sent me a
> prepaid return label and agreed to refund my loot if it happened again
but
> assured me i just got the lemon.
>
> Well, i got the new one yesterday and did 2 cycles of really dirty cranks
> (I can fit in 2 full crank sets and a few smaller items together.
>
> This one was twice as powerfull as the last - So i believe the first one
> was a lemon.
>
> As long as it keeps working I couldnt recommend it enough for anyone who
> plays with lots of vinatge gear, its supposed to work well at pulling off
> buffing compound too.
>
> When i used to do a lot of 70+ mile rides outside of new york, I would
> clean my bike up after everylong ride to keep it all lubed and clean.
this
> thing would kill for dropping your cassette into and maybe a few other
bits.
>
>
> If anyone is entertaining the idea of getting one of these i'd definately
> answer any questions-although im a novice myself. Or the other way
around
> if youve been using one and have some good tips , i'd love it
>
> I just realized i wrote a bunch of wandering sentences, i live far enough
> from civilization that the communication skills , especially writing need
> some buffing.
>
> happy hot weather rdiing
>
>
>
> --
> Barry Scott
> Mount shasta CA USA
>
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Message: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0400 From: Jay Dubiel <zoomdog@pure.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Ultrasonics To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <4C50BEC5.1010200@pure.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Distilled water is excellent also. In the Jewelry Industry, manufacturers of the best ultrasonics recommend it. Tap water for the most part is chlorinated. Set out for 24 hours the chlorine evaporates out, then boil if you want to. Chlorine will weaken even karat gold alloys with prolonged and repeated contact/use (we are talking prolooooooooooooooooonged here). Cleaners/solvents containing ammonia will also affect or haze the finish on aluminum alloy parts. The work, for the most part, is done by the machine, not the additive to the water. A few drops or a small squirt (depending on machine size) is plenty to break down grease etc., the machine does the rest. I use DAWN or a non ammonia Jewelry concentrate. I'm sure there are others. Distilled water is also the best for your steam iron, clothes steamer or Submarine as it does not tend to corrode/clog inner parts.
Also, the solution does not need to be changed for each use. Just change it when it gets really dirty or sludge accumulates at the bottom of the tank.
And, suspend parts or raise them slightly from the metal tank bottom. Metal to metal vibration in the tank will create abrasion marks on items. Stiff, plastic coated wire bent to shape works well. An "S" shaped hook or long hanger across the tank.
Finally, if you are seriously considering the purchase of one: $25-$50 (your wife's jewelry and the occasional bike part), $50-$100 (a little more serious), $100-$200 (getting to the his and sometimes hers), $200-up (get one with a heater and maybe a drain plug). I've used all the categories. You get what you pay for. Think about your current and future needs.
Occasional hobby/short use may not require all of this.
Jay "20+ years of listening to and using one at work almost daily" Dubiel Halifax, VA USA
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Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:22:06 -0700 From: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] WTB: Huret Success RD Small Parts To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <CB222147-B178-4BF3-97F8-9AFD10FB41D3@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Looking for a couple Huret Small parts. Went to mount my Success RD on a frame, shifted and heard a snap. The spring broke, taking part of the spring cover with it.
I'm also in search of two lower pullies for the same derailleur.
Looking for part numbers:
2482 Spring 2485 Spring Cover 2140 (2 pieces) lower pulley, no teeth, smooth.
Here is a link to the blowup for the RD on Velo-Pages.
http://www.velo-pages.com/
Thanks all.
Sean Flores San Francisco, Ca
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Message: 13 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: starmichael bowman <starmichaelbowman@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Eddy Merckx team track bike, and Campagnolo pista parts for sale. To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <365232.87171.qm@web63007.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi again all, It has been a while since i posted, and last time i promised to let everyone know how UBI's frame building class was. I promise i will get to that, but first i've been buying everything cool i see on craigslist and ran out of money to work on collecting some used frame jigs and cutting/facing tools to start building myself and some friends some hot KOF bikes! so back on the chopping block goes my nice stash! I am also open to trades for frame building jigs, parts, tools and the like. also if you know of anyone with some old jigs sitting around in the Portland area spread the word that I'm looking. Thanks what i have for sale is: one Eddy Merckx team track bike, from the sticker on the fork steer tube i believe it to be a 1983 bike. It is 57x56 was rumored to have been raced in New York for most of its life (passed down through three racers hands, the last sold the bike to me), and it has two layers of bad (read, cheap and chipping), paint jobs sitting over the original. there is only one dent i have been able to find and it is so tiny you have to feel for it while twisting the bike in the light to see it. it is the standard track bike dent on the tt, probably form the handle bars swinging around. I bought the bike as a frame and fork, and have put together a full Campagnolo Super Record track group for it, the stem is a perfect new logo Cinelli 2A in 130, with Cinelli new logo pista bars. the head set is SR alloy with steal inserts and brand new Phil grease with grade 25 bearings. the Hubs are SR pista 36 hole to what were NOS Grey Mavic Ma3's (never had a brake on them and look showroom perfect, almost no miles on them). the seat post is iether the rare aero SR, or C-Record aero in 27.2 (the seat post has a hole drilled in it under the minimum line, but is very nice other than that). the saddle is a brown buffalo unicanitor in good rider condition with all logos still clearly visible. The cranks are both 167.5 pista, but one is date code 82 and the other date code 83. 50 tooth SR chainring 1/8, and pista chainring bolts. the peddals are black with scuffed up plastic Campagnolo caps (the pedals are perfect and i think someone did a dust cap swap before selling them to me. The cages were, untill installed, NIB steal Campagnolo M with the toe tab (i will also include the box). the straps were also NOS Eddy Merckx, but the glue didn't hold and they are separating. the rims are clinchers and the tires are just some mixed matched road tiers i had sitting around, 700x23 and they just fit! the only other not correct part is the Euro Asia 19 tooth cog also 1/8. if you have any question about the bike or would like to see pics or come test ride it feel free to email me for my number or to have me send pics. I am asking 2,200 for the bike plus shipping.
Next up i have a Campagnolo "No" Record rear track wheel laced to a Velocity rim. the last owner had NOS races and cones installed, and i have the old ones to prove it (included in the sale). I'm asking $200 for the wheel. it also has a non Campagnolo lock ring and I'm not sure about the track nuts, i mean they're there but not sure if they are the correct ones.
I also have a NIB set of record pista hubs in 28 hole with correct nuts and lock ring. $300
all prices are plus actual shipping, paypal is fine too. please email if you have any questions, and i promise to get some pics of my first hand built bike up soon! I built it super KOF (to the dismay of the teachers at bike school!) I have collected a very nice rider Nuovo triple group, Phil hubs and bb, and Mafac cantis! thanks again for reading my post. and please spread the word about used frame and fork jigs. thanks
StarMichael Bowman Portland OR USA
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Message: 14 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:50:44 -0500 From: "Putman, Clyde" <cputman@mail.smu.edu> Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte To: "billydavid13@comcast.net" <billydavid13@comcast.net>, mitch harris <mitch.harris531@gmail.com> Cc: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <78F73DAE2483A747AD0E4A3BE57169DA41D22D8B79@SXMBXA.systems.smu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
That is the twin to the bike my mom put TONS of miles on back when I was in high school. I did not keep good track, I just knew that she rode it for weekend group rides, and then during the week she mostly rode it instead of taking the car for local errands. I maintained it, but did not watch is closely. (I had school, music programs, fantasies about being a racer, and a job at a bike shop, so mom's bike ended up low on the list) I do remember once she complained that it peddled funny. I determined that the problem was that she had worn the drivetrain so much that the FW teeth were almost missing!
I also sold a bunch of those and customers liked them a lot.
Thanks for the memories!
-Clyde (back in the day) Putman Dallas, TX, USA, Earth
________________________________________ From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of billydavid13@comcast.net [billydavid13@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:45 PM To: mitch harris Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Motobecane Mixte
Hi all. I just want to add my 2 cents worth. I'm a big fan of Motobecane mixtes built this way. It's a superior design to the typical full twin laterals and much nicer execution. That's all. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.
Interesting drop tube that I haven't seen before. Halfway between the usual twin tube method and the Herse single tube mixte method.
Mitch Harris Little Rock Canyon, Utah, usa
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Richard G. Elmendorf
<Elmendor@uwyo.edu>wrote:
> I have posted pictures of the bike at
>
> http://www.flickr.com/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Elmendorf
> Longmont, CO, USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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