Eroica, Isnt that the Medcca for CR and classic bike crackpots world wide? Im sure most of us dream about it, some of us can afford it, some of us can ride it, but it has to be the Holy Grail of historic bike ownert/riders. Why dont we have a CR world wide team to do it? Its Central to meat and a goal to go for it. On anther tak, for UK riders and visitors, Im a bit Peed with my heads down, 4-60 yr old would be racer and want to hold a FLAT ish[very nearly ] Somerset sportive for classic steels somtime in june. I have a 40 mile route and Im nearly 70 now and its a breeze. I dont want any carbon wizzos, [and I own carbon too] only classic steels. Any takers? Late june/ Barrie Carter, suffering from bladder infection , but still riding! Roundham, Chilly Somerset, UK