Hi Jeff, Kind of sounds like the stuff coming through Ten Speed Drive Imports, along with many Guerciottis. Is the same character featured on the rear brake bridge, by chance? They often were, but I don't know from when to when. Sounds original to me...
Ciao - Mark ~ ~ ~
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffery Pyzyk <jpyzyk@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] Guerciotti Pantographed Brake Levers To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Hello List,
I just purchased a fully-pantographed Guerciotti, circa 1983, that appears to be all-original and in mint condition.? The brake levers do not have the characteristic "G"/Star motif like the other panto bits on the bike.? The?levers?instead are engraved with?a stylized bicycle rider?above red, white and blue lines:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
The bike seems unmolested and original, in every other way.? The brake calipers are also engraved with red, white, and blue lines.?Could these have been original?
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Today's Topics:
1. FS: Legnano Gran Premio, 60s (ryan hildebrand) 2. CUSTOM BIKE SHOW SAN DIEGO VINTAGE RIDE (sterling@tns.net) 3. Tall Guy Alert! FS - 62cm Fangio Frameset (Mark Ritz) 4. Bespoke: The Handbuilt Bicycle May 11 2010 NY NY (Charles Nighbor) 5. Re: Campy Strada Foux Triple (Daniel Artley) 6. Re: Campy Strada foux triple (Otis Greer) 7. Sun Bicycles serial numbers (CoteVT@gmail.com) 8. Early Cinelli (Ken Wallace) 9. Guerciotti Pantographed Brake Levers (Jeffery Pyzyk) 10. FS: Campagnolo items (Tom Hayes)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:56:21 -0500 From: ryan hildebrand <greengate@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] FS: Legnano Gran Premio, 60s To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <p2lea2e86bf1004050856p3b9812e6mc4bded62d28f374b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
FS: Legnano Gran Premio. Pretty sure this is an early 60s model, if not 1960.
Original green paint (more left than not)
Stenciled DT logos
Headbadge and seat binder bolt intact
Legnano branded (Magistoni?) cottered cranks. I have the original cotters (removed, probably not reusable). I have replacements, but haven't worked on them.
Legnano branded (Campagnolo) HF hubs laced to Fiamme blue label tubulars
Campagnolo GS front and rear derailleurs
Universal Extra brakes (no hoods)
Ambrosio Champion stem
Legnano bars
No pedals
Campagnolo dropouts and fork ends (cast, not stamped)
Tubing not identified, but I would assume it's Falck
Lots of patina
I could keep going, but I'll inevitably misidentify something, if I haven't already. I'll be happy to send to interested individuals a zip file containing a bunch of pictures. This is a project I'll never get around to finishing. However, I did start to clean everything and the bike is currently in (mostly very clean) pieces. Depending on your inclinations, there may not be a whole lot to do other than reassemble. NB: I've noticed a tiny crack in the fork crown race. As I wouldn't have been racing this bike, I planned to simply repack and ride. I've been unsuccessful in getting a picture of it.
Would like to get $550 plus actual shipping (buyers choice of shipper). Please let me know, gently, if you think I'm asking too much.
Ryan Hildebrand Austin TX
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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:22:12 -0400 From: "sterling@tns.net" <sterling@tns.net> Subject: [CR] CUSTOM BIKE SHOW SAN DIEGO VINTAGE RIDE To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <380-22010415162212820@M2W115.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
There will be a couple of rides associated with the San Diego Custom Bike Show. A short flat and level fixed gear ride on Saturday morning to the beach for coffee/breakfast and one on Sunday morning. This is the announcement for the Sunday ride. The Sunday morning ride has two ride options, you can ride the full route with us (about 30 miles) or you can ride to the Point Loma lighthouse and return straight back to the hotel (about 15 miles). We will meet in front of the San Diego Custom Bike Show Hotel main office (I think there is a covered awning at that spot for passenger drop off). Rise starts 8:00am and returns 10:30 am. We ride along the San Diego River to the beach, on to the Point Loma Lighthouse, around the San Diego bay, through the Downtown Gas lamp Quarter, Balboa Park and Presidio Park, Old Town and back to the Hotel. We will stop for coffee-breakfast somewhere along the way. I have a few Breakfast locations picked out. Where we stop will be determined by the size of the group. Thanks Sterling Peters.... cell if you need to reach me 619-917-3889 San Diego
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Ritz <ritzmon@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] Tall Guy Alert! FS - 62cm Fangio Frameset To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <180424.69206.qm@web180115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I've got some expenses that can no longer be put off, so it's time to thin the
herd.?First up is an interesting frameset from, IIRC, the mid 80's.?
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Fangio Frameset - 62 x 61 ctc.? French Vitus 999 cro-mo tubing (with a very
lightly curved seat tube), Italian thread bb and hs.? Semi-vert dropouts. Nicely
cut out lugs, engraved fork crown, Classic 80's fishnet style paint in decent
but not pristine shape.? Chrome forks, chainstays and seatstays in great shape.?
A unique ride!
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Pics available at http://www.flickr.com/
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Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:53:18 -0700 From: "Charles Nighbor" <cnighbor1@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] Bespoke: The Handbuilt Bicycle May 11 2010 NY NY To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <598D4DBFD53A44D4BFD08D2FD9BEAB8D@gateway2v8e13w> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Enjoy
http://www.madmuseum.org:80/
New York, NY (February 16, 2010) - Bespoke: The Handbuilt Bicycle, presented by the Museum of Arts and Design from May 11 through mid-August 2010, will display the designs of six internationally renowned bicycle builders whose work in metal, as well as graphics and artifacts, elucidate this refined, intricate and deeply individual craft. Organized by Michael Maharam, owner of the eponymous textile company and an avid bicycle collector, along with master builder Sacha White of Vanilla Bicycles in Portland, Oregon, this survey is presented as part of the MADProjects exhibition series, which explores emerging trends and innovations in the design world.
Showcasing 21 hand-built bicycles that sit squarely at the intersection of design, craft, and art, Bespoke will introduce viewers to a range of contemporary designs, including fixed-gear, road racing, cyclocross, mountain, and commuter bicycles, as well as the stripped-down radonneur, designed exclusively for long-distance racing, and even a child's tricycle. The exhibition will feature bicycles by:
. Mike Flanigan, Alternative Needs Transportation (A.N.T.), Holliston, MA. . Jeff Jones, Jeff Jones Custom Bicycles, Medford, OR . Dario Pegoretti, Pegoretti Cicli, Calonazzo, Italy . Richard Sachs, Richard Sachs Cycles, Warwick, MA . J. Peter Weigle, J. Peter Weigle Cycles, Lyme, CT . Sacha White, Vanilla Bicycles, Portland, OR
"Bicycles like these are at once superb examples of contemporary design, masterpieces of time-honored artisanship, and works of art," states Holly Hotchner, the Nanette L. Laitman Director of the Museum of Arts and Design. "In presenting Bespoke in our MADProjects Gallery, we hope to provide our visitors an opportunity to appreciate bicycles on all of these levels, from the overall design to the exquisite details of each object."
The craft of custom bicycle building involves master metalwork: bending, welding, carving and wrapping steel, titanium, aluminum and carbon. A graphic artist's eye is required in the application of paint and decorative flourishes. Whereas several varieties of artisan may be involved in manufacturing a factory-made bicycle, the custom models exhibited in Bespoke are the virtuosic productions of individuals.
Despite the seeming simplicity of their forms and mechanics, bicycles offer a unique challenge to their makers. Rider and machine meet at three contact points-saddle, handlebar, and pedal. This extraordinary degree of integration, compared with that involved in almost any other type of sporting equipment, from soccer balls to sailboats, leaves greater risk of poor performance and discomfort if the connection between body and bicycle isn't seamless. The custom builder's chief preoccupation is therefore with fit; simply taking a rider's measurements may require more than two hours for a single commission. Every bicycle is a highly refined piece of engineering.
The attention lavished on detail, which reflects the builder's sensibility paired with the rider's unique needs, turns custom bicycles into indisputable works of art. This is no less true of bicycles intended for such rugged applications as scaling mountains or crossing off-road terrain as it is of the streamlined models designed for road racing.
EXHIBITION ORGANIZATION AND CREDITS Exhibition design by Solveig Fernlund, Fernlund + Logan Architects Exhibition graphics by 2X4 Video production by The Digital Project
CATALOGUE Bespoke: The Handbuilt Bicycle will be accompanied by a fully illustrated color catalogue published by Lars Muller Publishers that includes a foreword by the Museum of Arts and Design's director Holly Hotchner; an introduction by the design writer and critic Julie Lasky; a dialogue between the exhibition's curators Michael Maharam and Sacha White; multiple images of work by the builders in the exhibition; images of related artifacts; and biographies.
ABOUT THE MADPROJECTS GALLERY The MADProjects Gallery, located on the 2nd floor, showcases emerging trends in contemporary design through a program of short-term exhibitions. Responding nimbly to new developments in design, the Museum invites guest curators to explore current themes, issues, and innovations in the field. Exhibitions introduce the work of young, up-and-coming designers as well as design pioneers, and explore advances in sustainable design.
MADProjects was launched in February 2009 with the exhibition Totally Rad, a focused survey on the newest radiator designs, curated by Karim Rashid, which was followed in October 2009 with Ghost Stories, New Designs from Nendo, an installation of new works and prototypes by the Japanese design studio Nendo.
ABOUT THE MUSEUM OF ARTS AND DESIGN The Museum of Arts and Design explores how craftsmanship, art, and design intersect in the visual arts today. The Museum focuses on contemporary creativity and the ways in which artists and designers from around the world transform materials through processes ranging from the handmade to cutting edge technologies.
The Museum's exhibition program explores and illuminates issues and ideas, highlights creativity and craftsmanship, and celebrates the limitless potential of materials and techniques when used by creative and innovative artists. MAD's permanent collection is global in scope and focuses on art, craft, and design from 1950 to the present day.
At the center of the Museum's mission is education. The Museum's dynamic new facility features classrooms and studios for master classes, seminars, and workshops for students, families and adults. Three open artist studios engage visitors in the creative processes of artists at work and enhance the exhibition programs. Lectures, films, performances and symposia related to the Museum's collection and topical subjects affecting the world of contemporary art, craft and design are held in a renovated 144-seat auditorium.''
If you go take photos and post on CR
Charles Nighbor
Walnut Creek, CA
USA
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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:00:41 -0400 From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@baltimorecountymd.gov> Subject: Re: [CR] Campy Strada Foux Triple To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4BB9DEF7.CB1D.00FE.1@baltimorecountymd.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Jack, and all,
The Campagnolo Catalogue No. 17 from 1974 (the hardback one) had a Campy triple set up that way, not sure what the original middle ring was, item No. 1049/3 on page 72. I agree with Lou Deeter about why anyone would wish a set up like that with a front low of only 42 teeth.
Happy trails,
Dan Artley, with a Campy Strada crank converted to 74 mm bolt circle diameter for a real granny, in Parkton, Maryland
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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:10:29 -0500 From: "Otis Greer" <ogreer@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Campy Strada foux triple To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <97A7530444E8458194BF965103235FD9@GREER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Sugino Mighty Tour made a million of them, I had a Campy NR for years. Now it has a Willow triplizer with 110bcd. I made my 1st one from a Nervar Star, about 1974. The 1st ones took the Stronglight outer chain guard off and put a small wheel on the inside, using the long bolts. Can be fun on mild terrain, as you have a bunch of mid-high gears close together.
Dickey Greer West Monroe,LA USA
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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:15:47 +0000 From: CoteVT@gmail.com Subject: [CR] Sun Bicycles serial numbers To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <00163630ef6de86e100483807adf@google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
I have an Sun frame from the 1940s or 1950s (I think) that belonged to my Dad. It's in rough, non-original condition, but I want bring back to life with some of the period parts I have.
My question: Does anyone have info on Sun serial numbers? Long-shot, I know. Thanks --
Alan Cote Williston VT USA
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Message: 8 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:39:28 -0700 From: Ken Wallace <kwallace@cableone.net> Subject: [CR] Early Cinelli To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <AD0C7FF3-17D6-42E9-999C-7FFD70BA4174@cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Just got an gorgeous early Cinelli in the shop. I was told a couple of years ago by the now deceased owner that it was from 1954. The 3rd generation Gran Sport derailleurs on it were introduced in 1954. The 151 Campy crank has the early chainring bolts and the dust caps on the pedal holes which would fit with 1958. The head badge is 51 mm high and is the one introduced in 1958. The wheels and bars and stem have been replaced. The brakes are Universal 151. The owner was an artist who tastefully painted the frame but it has no decals. There is no frame number on the sloping crown but there is a 37 on the BB. Traditional Cinelli seat cluster. I have 2 early Cinelli's so I understand the difficulty of dating them. Any thoughts on this one?
Ken Wallace, Proprietor Bisbee Bicycle Brothel 43 Brewery Ave. in the Silver King Hotel PO Box 1194 Bisbee, AZ 85603 USA (520) 236-4855 (cell) http://www.bisbeebicyclebrothel.com
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Message: 9 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffery Pyzyk <jpyzyk@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] Guerciotti Pantographed Brake Levers To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <700021.32309.qm@web180401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hello List,
I just purchased a fully-pantographed Guerciotti, circa 1983, that appears to be all-original and in mint condition.? The brake levers do not have the characteristic "G"/Star motif like the other panto bits on the bike.? The?levers?instead are engraved with?a stylized bicycle rider?above red, white and blue lines:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
The bike seems unmolested and original, in every other way.? The brake calipers are also engraved with red, white, and blue lines.?Could these have been original?
Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI
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Message: 10 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:40:22 -0400 From: Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] FS: Campagnolo items To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <z2n779093151004051140kda0e47d7x309b7f4178c7ceb5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I have the following for sale should anyone be interested. All prices include mailing within the USA:
1960's Record front derailleur with the open (slit) cable housing stop in very good condition: $75.00
'70 Patent Nuovo Record rear derailleur in very good condition: $50.00
Campagnolo SR 27.2 seatpost, good condition, a few scratches in the grooves: $40.
Pictures upon request. Thank you.
Cheers.
Tom Hayes Chagrin Falls, Ohio USA
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