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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Paul Watson's Cinelli early 60's (John Barron) 2. Benelux FD cages ?? (scottg@primax.com) 3. BVVW Meeting Thursday, May 6, 2009 (John) 4. Re: Messages to Classic Rendezvous email list (oroboyz@aol.com) 5. 1955 frejus (robertsasher@aol.com) 6. 1934 RRA (P.C. Kohler) 7. Re: 1934 RRA (Derek Athey) 8. Re: BSA 3 speed hub, date needed (david) 9. Legnano (crumpy6204@aol.com) 10. Re: Legnano (Andrew R Stewart) 11. Flag this message help identifying bike? Nervex Nuovo R. Cinelli, Rigida brazed cable-guides? Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:28 PM (Jonathan Pitkin) 12. Need long aluminum Campy Toe Clips (Jay Jacobs) 13. WTB ferrules needed for dia compe AC250G brake levers (Howard Darr) 14. Re FS: Baines and Imperial Petrel framesets and Gnutti cranks and chainrings (Neil Foddering)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:47:59 -0500 From: John Barron <john@velostuf.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Paul Watson's Cinelli early 60's To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <1D9206BD-6A90-4079-8977-5FC63640A1C8@velostuf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I bought a 1963 Cinelli SC about a year ago and it had the original paint, but it flaked-off in many areas revealing the original red primer underneath. That's exactly what I see happening on your bike.
Are you 100% sure that your bike has been repainted?
Also, note the headbadge is riveted in place. I have seen this once before on a very old Cinelli Riviera that I had. I am convinced that some Cinellis had their headbadges riveted-on originally (rather than with screws.
John Barron Minneapolis MN USA
Paul Watson wrote:
From: "Paul Watson" <paul@polyweld.com.au> Subject: [CR] Cinelli SC early 60's To: "'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <dc9acd24.1caebf7.be84571d.3413@polyweld.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Here are a few pictures of my early 60's Cinelli SC:
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/
I got it from a Scotsman who bought it from a cycling club friend in Glasgow in 1967. As you can see the frame has been repainted. The white paint was done by Rattrays of Glasgow (home of the Flying Scott) before 1967, and the rust colored paint (under the white) might be the original finish.
The Ron Kit catalogue of the period refers to Mars red as a color option. Mars red is usually a red iron oxide color similar to the red brown paint on my bike, so I wonder if my bike was originally Mars red? I have never seen another Cinelli this color, although I have seen a chromovelo scarlet red finish on some early 60's Cinelli (similar to the Blumels mudguards on my bike).
Notice the lugs are painted, and there is no chrome under the paint. Some people say that team bikes often had painted rather than chromed lugs?
Some of you will notice that the bands are unusual - red/yellow/green, rather than the 5 color world championship bands. There is a reference to 3 color bands in the Ron Kit catalogue, so I'm assuming that is what was available when Rattrays did the repaint (Rattrays were agents for Ron Kit). Maybe they are team colors?
I quite like it the way it is, but I also think about repainting it.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Watson Melbourne Australia
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:58:44 -0400 From: scottg@primax.com Subject: [CR] Benelux FD cages ?? To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <53963.1273064324@primax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Are there different size front derailer cages for Cyclo-Benelux ?
I have a matchbox style front mech and would like to find a front cage that would work well with a 48t or 46t big ring.
Scott Goldsmith Highland Heights, Kentucky, USA
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 08:55:12 -0400 From: John <jtperry330@me.com> Subject: [CR] BVVW Meeting Thursday, May 6, 2009 To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <C3DD6B29-DAB3-4FEB-981E-DDCE80FA6C9D@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
ATTENTION ALL LIST MEMBERS!!!!!!!!:
Special meeting of The BVVW!!!
WHY?
BECAUSE The Omnipotent Despot is in New York City for the month of May and wants to talk the world of cycling!
Well, O.K., I was coming to N.Y.C. anywayz.
The BVVW group is comprised of about 25 hardcore certified cycling freaks that hang out and enjoy. We are a tangent of Gruppo Sportivo Pergolizzi. Please wear your jerseys to the meeting.
I, together with my assistant despot Mattie Bowne, have arraigned
for this informal gathering of all N.Y. metro area cyclists who share
an interest in vintage bicycles and cycling history. As always, youse is
ALL invited. We will talk the old talk (1930 to 1980) of cycling, our
heroes, and their bicycles and parts.
This SPECIAL meeting will take place on Thursday, May 6, 2009.
Meet at 5:30 p.m. for a 6:00 o'clock start.
The meeting will take place at
John's Pizzeria
278 Bleeker St. in Greenwich Village, New York City!
Pizza is cooked the old fashioned way in a coal fired brick oven. We
even seen da coal pile in da basement a while back while wait'n outside
on line. Beer is Budweiser; she's is on tap, and cold! Yung Ling some times
too! Ernesto and Joe the waiters take good care of us. As long as
they gets their "tribute" afterwards.
Then (around 8:00 p.m.) we will head just east and across the
street (still on Bleeker) to Rocco's for canolli and espresso and say
"Hi" to Don Cicciu.
Please make every effort to come as I've really missed youse!
John T. Pergolizzi
Omnipotent Despot, BVVW
Brooklyn, New York
on our way to Italia
1-917-770-2025
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 09:45:21 -0400 From: oroboyz@aol.com Subject: Re: [CR] Messages to Classic Rendezvous email list To: septilien@hotmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <8CCBA7057598B27-1744-A299@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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-----Original Message----- From: Bobby Gallant <septilien@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 9:00 am Subject: Need info
Witch E-mail i should use to write something on the mailing list
Bobby
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 09:48:09 -0400 From: robertsasher@aol.com Subject: [CR] 1955 frejus To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <8CCBA70BB4F1142-1810-AE40@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I have a 1955 Frejus olympian,original condition and pantographed on every component,I think its a club racer,not sure,but good equipment and very nice for its age.I know very little about it but it did come from the original owner?it has a gran sport campagnolo rear changer and 1 shifter(campagnolo),4 speeds (drilled out cogs)very nice workmanship and is liightweight.alloy rims still spin freelyit has full fenders with a decal on the back one,campione del mondo?.I have pics if anyone is interested to see them,any info would be appreciated,regards Brad Sasher Atlanta Ga USA
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] 1934 RRA To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <246894.49814.qm@web54408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
"It is just the wasted opportunity of the one-time greatest cycle manufacturer that I find so disappointing"
Hugh Thornton Cheshire, England"
True. Raleigh wasted an opportunity to compete in mass start professional racing bicyles in 1940-60s. Which is, I might suggest, one of the reasons they were indeed the greatest cycle manufacturing firm on the planet. They cherry-picked, deliberately and carefully, what they made and to whom they sold it. And in doing so, they literally created and sold what is, even today, the standard bicycle of the world: the famed, often imitated but never matched (and off topic here) No. 1/DL-1 28" wheel, rod-braked roadster. And they also helped to establish "lightweight" (a relative terms in a land of coaster brake Schwinns) cycling in the United States.
I suspect more than schoolboys bought and rode Lentons, Super Lentons and Clubmans... or Britain had a lot of very well-off lads indeed; I sure couldn't afford to buy one at those prices on my newspaper route earnings. And, if the ads be believed, "Reg Harris Rides a Lenton". And he did, too, on his roadtraining rides which apparently had sufficient pub stops en route to qualify him as a duffer and thus ideal for a Lenton Sports. By the way, Raleigh flew Reg to Lagos, Nigeria, for the 1957 Independence Day celebrations where, in this most cycle mad of all African countries, he led a procession of Raleighs riding, a Super Lenton! Raleigh even sold Lentons in Nigeria. If you want to meet true Raleigh enthusiasts, go to Nigeria not England.
One of the reasons I suspect the RRA is distained now and then was that it was sold as a complete cycle, cost a packet (like 40 pound), subject to Clement Atley's confiscatory purchase tax (like 33 per cent on a complete bike!) and thus associated with poseurs, rich boys, demob windfall spenders or, as you prefer, "old fogeys". The snob element in certain elements of British cycling is amazing really and I suspect the RRA was a symbol of everything certain snobby club riders loathed if not envied. There was, in fact, a long waiting list for the RRA and one of the reasons the improved Clubman was introduced in 1950. The number of old fogeys riding awheel in the UK was apparently quite large!
Anyway, I've talked myself into making my '48 RRA and '58 RRA Moderne my designed cycles du weekend and can but hope to encounter someone riding a '48 Bianchi or '58 Helyett so we can go mano a mano.
Peter Kohler Washington DC USA
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:06:40 +0100 From: Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] 1934 RRA To: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@yahoo.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <o2l738af061005050806sf701972ei4cf3dedc6f265cbd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I just love it......!!!!
Doesn't the same snobbery exist today with all the top-drawer equipped, be-jewelled Rene Herse, Singer, Cinelli, Bianchi, etc etc., or in the UKs case Hetchin Millenniums; Magnum Bonum de-luxe Superb Syders etc etc???
As I said...nothing's changed in 60 years!
Derek Athey Honiton, Devon UK
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, P.C. Kohler <kohl57@yahoo.com> wrote:
"It is just the wasted opportunity of the one-time greatest cycle manufacturer that I find so disappointing"
Hugh Thornton Cheshire, England"
True. Raleigh wasted an opportunity to compete in mass start professional racing bicyles in 1940-60s. Which is, I might suggest, one of the reasons they were indeed the greatest cycle manufacturing firm on the planet. They cherry-picked, deliberately and carefully, what they made and to whom they sold it. And in doing so, they literally created and sold what is, even today, the standard bicycle of the world: the famed, often imitated but never matched (and off topic here) No. 1/DL-1 28" wheel, rod-braked roadster. And they also helped to establish "lightweight" (a relative terms in a land of coaster brake Schwinns) cycling in the United States.
I suspect more than schoolboys bought and rode Lentons, Super Lentons and Clubmans... or Britain had a lot of very well-off lads indeed; I sure couldn't afford to buy one at those prices on my newspaper route earnings. And, if the ads be believed, "Reg Harris Rides a Lenton". And he did, too, on his roadtraining rides which apparently had sufficient pub stops en route to qualify him as a duffer and thus ideal for a Lenton Sports. By the way, Raleigh flew Reg to Lagos, Nigeria, for the 1957 Independence Day celebrations where, in this most cycle mad of all African countries, he led a procession of Raleighs riding, a Super Lenton! Raleigh even sold Lentons in Nigeria. If you want to meet true Raleigh enthusiasts, go to Nigeria not England.
One of the reasons I suspect the RRA is distained now and then was that it was sold as a complete cycle, cost a packet (like 40 pound), subject to Clement Atley's confiscatory purchase tax (like 33 per cent on a complete bike!) and thus associated with poseurs, rich boys, demob windfall spenders or, as you prefer, "old fogeys". The snob element in certain elements of British cycling is amazing really and I suspect the RRA was a symbol of everything certain snobby club riders loathed if not envied. There was, in fact, a long waiting list for the RRA and one of the reasons the improved Clubman was introduced in 1950. The number of old fogeys riding awheel in the UK was apparently quite large!
Anyway, I've talked myself into making my '48 RRA and '58 RRA Moderne my designed cycles du weekend and can but hope to encounter someone riding a '48 Bianchi or '58 Helyett so we can go mano a mano.
Peter Kohler Washington DC USA
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:22:27 -0400 From: "david" <viciouscycles@excite.com> Subject: Re: [CR] BSA 3 speed hub, date needed To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,kohl57@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20100505112227.12142@web012.roc2.bluetie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I have an all Black 40? BSA 3 speed hub I am trying to date. There are no markings except for the BSA Hallmark/Trademark on one side and a small "L" on the opposite side.
Would I be correct to assume this is a "war years" hub because it is black?
The shifter, that it came with, is top tube mounted , round, Marked BSA and all black too.
Thanks, David Cowie
Oak