Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...

(Example: Component Manufacturers:Ideale)

From: Peter Rogers <pjrogers@rogers.com>
To: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>, <hmsachs@verizon.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:06:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...


Hi Kevin, Many thanks for showing us the Gran Sport hub. Did they offer this in large flange configuration too? I assume that the wheel has not suffered from breaking spokes etc. I have not really looked at the configuration of rear hubs to any great extent and this issue has come as a bit of a (nasty) surprise. All the best, Peter Rogers Barrie, Ontario, Canada

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From: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:55 AM
To: "Peter Rogers" <pjrogers@rogers.com>; <hmsachs@verizon.net>;
<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...


> Hi Peter, Harvey

>

> Whilst I can't offer any insight into Normandy hubs......maybe you might

> find a Campag 'Gran Sport' [circa 1975] hub of interest in that it shares

> the same flange configuration as the Normandy hubs in question.

>

> Like a 'piste' hub the offside bearings are 'inboard' of the flange, my

> hub is a 40 hole and mated to a MA40 clincher and was/is the intended

> wheel for the 'Le Eroica'....if I ever get my act together to ride it?

>

> Pics of the hub can be found on my flickr pages.......as is some pics of

> another Bi-laminated frame I made for a good friend who recently painted

> it himself.....not so surprising as he's a very clever chap who teaches

> vintage car restoration.......

>

> Cheers

> Kevin Sayles

> Bridgwater Somerset UK

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevin_sayles_bikes/3204355426/in/set-72157622838096615/

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Peter Rogers" <pjrogers@rogers.com>

> To: <hmsachs@verizon.net>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:19 AM

> Subject: Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...

>

>

>> Hi Harvey,

>> Many thanks for the head-up.

>> I'll be interested if you have a later version of the same hub for sale.

>> I only just noticed how far out the left flange is before I read your

>> email, but I though nothing of it.

>> I wonder if modern, slightly thicker gauge spokes, would cope with the

>> stress.

>> Anyway, many thanks again.

>> All the best,

>> Peter Rogers

>>

>> Barrie, Ontario, Canada

>>

>>

>> From: hmsachs@verizon.net

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:40 PM

>> To: pjrogers@rogers.com ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>> Subject: Don't use those Normandy Hubs...

>>

>>

>> My first J.C. Higgins, dated about 1960 or '61 (Campag Gran Sport) came

>> with these hubs, and the rear has a nasty defect. In Peter's picture,

>> notice the position of the left flange. It is almost as far to the left

>> as possible. This leads to a super-dished wheel, and they are incredibly

>> efficient at popping the overstressed right side spokes.

>>

>> I suspect that this configuration was a relict from early 3- and 4-speed

>> versions, where the dish would have been less extreme. I have a pair of

>> the slightly later hubs, which look identical, but the left flange is

>> moved inboard. Of course, on that bike, the spokes don't break, since it

>> is the closest thing I have to a wall-art decoration; I haven't ridden it

>> in a couple of years.

>>

>> your mileage may vary.

>> harvey sachs

>> mcLean va

>> Peter, ask me next week if I have a spare of the slightly later ones...

>>

>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>> Peter Rogers asked about the age of some Normandy HF hubs, illustrated at

>> http://petersclassicwheels.blogspot.com/.:

>> I have a set of large flange Normandy hubs with round holes and Q/R

>> axles.

>> They differ from Normandy Luxe hubs which have elongated holes in the

>> flanges.

>> Does anyone know when these particular style of hubs were manufactured?

>> I understand that they may date back as early as the 1950's.

>> Any help will be much appreciated.