snip from Robert's post below: "I am merely making a suggestion. Dale is busy...and I of course being a less senior member with no authority achieve nothing but a flamewar - even at times when all I said was, "Off-Topic?" without any color or commentary. I really do think it would be nice to have 1-3 SENIOR members having the declared authority to simply say one of the following:
1. Off-topic? 2. Maybe another forum is better for this? 3. Please make use of various search engines beforehand including our own out of respect for the hardworking members and site owners...
Coming from me - it's a point for contention. That's a fact."
Robert, I intend to post no more publicly on the subject, in order to keep from offending others of more tenure, but in my opinion, it is precisely because you fail to use such palatable wording, that you elicit flame wars upon yourself. There's a saying that if you meet too many ***holes in one day, that you'd better take a look in the mirror to see who it really is. By this, I do not intend to call you a bad name, but E-lists are difficult to attach a smiling face to, when tone of voice cannot be heard. Indeed, Dale has written of this time and again, and YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUND IT IN THE ARCHIVES, if not on Bikeforums, etc. Temper your temper with a good dose of modest control, and your "yet another aggravating violation" posts will be much easier received by the bulk of us, even if they are OFF-TOPIC ... as Dale or whomever he enlists to do the after-monitoring are the only ones who should be sending such on-list replies. Kind regards.
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield, Michigan, USA ~ ~ ~
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:54:48 -0700 From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net Subject: Re: [CR] Was: Robert's spoke brouhaha. now: Question for Dale... To: "Dr. Paul B. Williams" _castell5@sympatico.ca_ (mailto:castell5@sympatico.ca)
Hi guys!
The question Dale finished with per my request was:
"But taking your question to heart, I do not at all reject the idea of Bob or Jerry helping in that way. Both I consider excellent fellow and good friends. What say you, fellows?"
So far in this new updated thread - 4 responses I've seen...no one has answered. Instead the old version has been brought back to life...in other words for this thread we are...
...oops...can't say that...else Dale will be inclined to say, "Help me out here
Bob, stay still..." as he preceeds to grab a golf club. And that's a pretty big club figuratively speaking...=8-)
Folks, I am not telling Dale and Co. how to run this server and list. However,
we do get serious spats here and there where off-topic occurs or when someone asks a question for which the answer is right there at the tip of their nose - via search.bikelist.org no less.
I am merely making a suggestion. Dale is busy...and I of course being a less senior member with no authority achieve nothing but a flamewar - even at times when all I said was, "Off-Topic?" without any color or commentary. I really do
think it would be nice to have 1-3 SENIOR members having the declared authority
to simply say one of the following:
1. Off-topic? 2. Maybe another forum is better for this? 3. Please make use of various search engines beforehand including our own out of respect for the hardworking members and site owners...
Coming from me - it's a point for contention. That's a fact.
Coming from a senior member who everyone knows has been giving that authority -
it's a hint. Either get on-topic as Don Guilles expertly often does (thank you
Don) or take the bandwidth and clutter to a more general forum.
The last is more serious in my honest opinion. When you blow right by search.bikelist.org - whether intentionally or unintentionally - you are showing some disrespect for the site maintainers who provided that tool for you - and those who after awhile get tired of answering the most simple questions over and over while knowing the search tool is right there to begin with.
Alot of the points I make are actually suggested or even noted in Dale's CR rules.
As to Jerome and Bob, their names were suggestions - though I wouldn't mind nominating them with their okay. They are senior members...one knows one heck of alot. Don Guilles is another as he is very skilled at flipping threads from
off-topic to on-topic.
=8-)
Robert Shackelford
San Jose, CA USA