Re: [CR] Phil disk brake, Vitus 172

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From: "Ted Ernst" <>
To: "JB Froke" <>, <>, "verktyg" <>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:35:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [CR] Phil disk brake, Vitus 172

I'm surprised at all the bad luck folks seem to /had with those older disco Phil Brakes. I sold quite a few, installed them and never had one fail in the "years". One person came in with a broken disc, had bought the unit elsewhere. We fixed it back up, realigned, and set the unit, no comeback?? Maybe I was lucky and got the select oro units. As to the Vitus, when I was in Europe in the late '50's the talk was that Vitus was good tubing but seemed to "fatigue" or get "softer" after a season of hard use whereas Reynolds would go several seasons. The pros and best amateurs didn't use a frame more than 1 season, they got too trashed according to them. Columbus was stiffer would break unless heavier gauge used , hence the blended frames with 3 main tubes Reynolds, forks and stays Columbus, decaling varied according to builder and foto contractual obligations. Maybe the Vitus was used in too thin a gauge and therefore got"soft" and thus a bad rap, but that wasn't the impression I seemed to get.
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates

----- Original Message -----
From: JB Froke
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [CR] Phil disk brake, was 73 Paramount tandem FS.

> Harvey, Thank you for your words of care and caution: As it will not be
> ridden prior to sale, I wish to keep all intact, then share your
> admonition with the buyer, which may be happening as we write.
> J.B. Froke, Ph.D.
> Pebble Beach, CA
> On Jul 5, 2010, at 7:04, wrote:
>> I have only my customary note to add: Please, for safety's sake,
>> disable the Phil disk brakes. They only fail when needed, but that's
>> when they fail. By stripping the splines on the early ones, and by
>> burning the later ones.
>> Otherwise, sounds like the Right Stuff version of the Schwinn Paramount
>> tandem, and quick tight-coupled, vintage machine.
>> harvey sachs
>> mcLean va (but now in Cleveland area, OH)
>> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 21:50:02 -0700
>> From: JB Froke <>
>> Subject: [CR] 1973 Paramount Tandem: Posting Exclusive to CR
>> To:
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>> 1973 Paramount Tandem: For Sale and Posted Here (CR), Exclusively --
>> First and exclusively to the CR List, I am offering for sale my 1973
>> Schwinn Paramount Tandem: Model T22 (Double Men?s), serial no. GJ805909.
>> This is a beautifully cared for bike that is in no less than fantastic
>> condition. When I bought it, it was said to have fewer than 800 miles,
>> believably; and, it has not been ridden since. The Flamboyant Red frame
>> is 21?F/21?R (c-c) and shows minor stone chips, only (some are touched-up
>> with matching nail polish). Decals range from perfect on most to minor
>> chipping on the fewer.
>> Cranksets, pedals, and seatposts are Campagnolo; Transmission is
>> Schwinn/Huret Le Tour; Huret rear drop-outs; Hubs are Phil Wood, as are
>> the Disk Brakes that supplement the original Mafac cantilevers; Barcons
>> are Schwinn-approved Suntour; Both bars are Cinelli (stoker?s are new
>> lightweight city-bars), and stoker?s stem is Pivo; Matching Continental?
>> Super Sport? tires on (R) Super Champion and (F) ABT SunRims; Spokes are
>> beautifully tied and soldered; Seats are (C) Turbo Bernard Hinault and
>> (S) Avocet; Matching toe-straps are REG.
>> Asking $1,800.00 + shipping; but, would be delighted if you pick it up at
>> my house -- so much so that under that circumstance I?d let it go at
>> $1,600 OTD. Or, I can deliver to SoCal (Dana Point), where I stay
>> monthly. Otherwise, I recall a recent CR discussion re shipping tandems
>> by train -- seems a reasonably sound idea.
>> JB Froke
>> Pebble Beach CA