Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V

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From: "Jon M. Crate" <Jon.Crate@FAI.US>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 01:35:55 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V

Robert, Been all through that several times back when I picked up the frame - both the CR site and the link to Bob Hovey's site - great stuff - read every part of it, some more than once - same with the 3V articles.

Each of 4 articles say 4 different things, others are just cryptic. Figured someone might have more or first hand knowledge. Thanks,

Jon M. Crate Marietta, Georgia USA

-----Original Message----- From: [] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:52 PM To: Jon Crate Cc: 'P.C. Kohler'; Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V

Under > Italy > Masi at the CR website...

Dale provides a link at the bottom to a site at which to get started.


Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>:
> That reminds me...
> What IS the tubing in the 3V?
> It seems to have taken a few turns, but I have not seen anything
> definitive.
> Thanks
> Jon M. Crate
> Marietta, Georgia USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of P.C.
> Kohler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:14 PM
> To:
> Subject: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW Frames Getting Soft and 753
> I rode my 1983 Raleigh SBDU 753 Pro Super yesterday so been reading
> all of this with interest.I'm 6'2", 165 lbs, ride a 62-63 cm frame
> ideally, am an aggressive rider and for me, 753 is all one could
> wish for, at least as crafted by the SBDU; it's uber light, lively
> and in a Raleigh frame has superb ride with no extremes in angles.
> But you sure couldn't call 753 "stiff". You want stiff (and I
> frankly do) in this size... ride a Masi 3v, absolutely sex on two
> wheels even if it's a good 1 1/2 lbs heavier. Just completely
> different rides and the weight difference is imperceptable, the 3v
> eats hills and accerates out of a curve like nothing else. So stiff
> is good but 753 is sublime and that's good, too. I find myself
> preferring 753, Vitus 971 and Columbus SL/SLX to Reynolds 531
> Imperial gauge standard DB which can seen "dead" if that's the
> right word in comparison; I am not sure why but it just feels that
> way sometimes.
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA